Is NYC just not an environment conducive to winning?

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Think about it, are these guys really a "team" or do they look like a bunch of young rich guys thinking about the next night out? The City offers more distractions than just about any other place to play. Do we need a modern Torts (modern as in toned down) to create another winning culture in a place like New York? Even with management: Slats for example, always seemed be after the next big name player for people to go watch, like they're the Knicks or something. That's just not how you build a team. For everyone saying thank god NYC is such a beloved destination, does that kind of cancel itself out at this point? People come here for all the good it offers off the ice, the clout and a huge paycheck. Not to win.

Or is something just in the water?
 
There's just always better players on other teams, and better overall teams. "Being a destination" doesn't mean shit for positive team construction; As long as you say you REALLY want to/will only play for NYR, you'll be shoehorned in here one way or another, roster needs be damned. NYR are frequently just a collection of decent-to-good individual players with an awful gameplan. Rangers are forever the bridesmaid (if even that), never the bride but it's because NYR management operates in its own special way compared to the rest of humanity.
 
Correlation-causation bias. There are more teams than ever before.

When other teams were piling up championships in the O6 era, we were the joke no one wanted to play for.

It's still possible to win, but it's never been harder. We just don't feel like doing what it takes.
 
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No, it isn't. NYC is impatient. It's win now. Could you imagine the fanbase if this team sucked for 5+ years while we grow talent and put a good team together?

I'm not just talking about the fans on this board. I'm talking all of the fans.
 
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No, it's not a NYC problem...it's an owners/managers problem. The formula for sustained success in this league is largely built on drafting (elite Centers for sure). As an organization, we haven't followed the right path of building enough talent through the draft. We have chosen to emerge too early from our "retooling/rebuilding" stage and we get unlucky with swings and misses on can't miss stars like Lafreniere and Kakko.
 
There is a lot of pressure in NY from the fans and the media. Look at the Trouba situation. I feel this is going to turn free agents off from signing here.

But it goes past the NY media and fans, the Rangers organization needs to change its culture. Can go though a million coaches it won’t matter till they change the culture of this team.
 
There is a lot of pressure in NY from the fans and the media. Look at the Trouba situation. I feel this is going to turn free agents off from signing here.

But it goes past the NY media and fans, the Rangers organization needs to change its culture. Can go though a million coaches it won’t matter till they change the culture of this team.
The pressure in ny is most intense for baseball, basketball and football. hockey players face that same level of pressure if they were to play for toronto or montreal.

problem with ny sports teams in general is that ownership thinks that signing the star free agents is the cure all, while in actual reality that just only soothes the symptoms of losing. a bandage of sorts. panarin has been a real nice bandage for the past few years. but of course heaven forbid that ownership would want to find out as to what's causing those symptoms. why - that would be like real too hard.
 
No this is just a franchise that has been poorly run for the majority of it's history.

Im just thankful that the Leafs have been more disappointing for longer, otherwise the cheese would stand alone ever since the Hawks put together their own legacy.
 
No, it isn't. NYC is impatient. It's win now. Could you imagine the fanbase if this team sucked for 5+ years while we grow talent and put a good team together?

I'm not just talking about the fans on this board. I'm talking all of the fans.
I think it's management that's impatient. They know there is a deep, multi-generational commitment to this team amongst the fans, whether it deserves it or not. And they know they can make a ton of money getting to the playoffs. So that's what they go for. The current owner seems to be especially bad, but the team was like this before he came around. They know they make money no matter what, so there is not so much pressure to be great. And they know the media here doesn't pay a whole lot attention to hockey, so they can get away with bad management.
 
No this is just a franchise that has been poorly run for the majority of it's history.

Im just thankful that the Leafs have been more disappointing for longer, otherwise the cheese would stand alone ever since the Hawks put together their own legacy.
Just a coincidence that every other NYC franchise is also poorly run
 
It clearly has some kind of problem with NY (not entirely). Look I'm going to be fair and also not get into "stuff that divides people" if you catch my drift.

This city is in the worst championship drought for major sports it's ever been in, and I know someone is going to say the NYFC in 2021 and Liberty last year. Those were nice but not major teams. NY Giants were the last team to do it in 2012.

NY is still large but it's a reputation city at this point. The lure isn't there to come play here like in the old days. Pay $300 to see a Broadway show less than two hours? Yeah I did it for a friend's birthday. How many times can you do that? You can barely go see live music anymore. as all the real clubs are shut. The restaurants are fine every town I've been to with the exception of Portland, Oregon, Detroit other than Buddy's Pizza, and Ottawa (everything else was great there but the food) has good restaurants. High cost of living, angry people, every town has some museums. The outdated subway sucks and you gotta be extra careful nowadays etc. Weather sucks between 5-7 months a year.

The finance jobs will always be the finance jobs and go through cycles and if you have one for a big company that is wonderful.

Social media and technology have also made NY less of a destination. You can have a perfectly fine life playing in OKC or Dallas and talk to all your friends every day via FaceTime, Zoom, etc. More flights and airlines. Athletes don't need NYC to promote themselves any more.

NY has the finance stuff, some good pizzerias, and is big...what else is appealing? Frank Sinatra sang some song about it, Jay-Z and Alicia Keyes did to, and some guy can say "This is New York" but what does that even mean anymore? They're gonna show some highlights of Reggie Jackson with the three HRs or Jeter or Messier in Game 6 ECF?

That being said, it's still inexcusable that this city hasn't seen a major championship in 13 years. It's bad ownership choices, nepotism, good ole boys network. It all starts with the leadership and building a foundation.

I don't understand why no one has gotten it right here for so long. Boston, Philly, even DC have all won championships in the last ten years. Boston I'd say from in infrastructure point of view is nicer than everyone else, but Philly is still Philly and DC is a weekend trip kind of place. You can even make an argument Jerry Reese got generationally lucky with both his Super Bowl wins because all his picks hit in his first draft, and we've seen the Rangers pick a player like JPP 1000 times and they were very lucky with him.

Out of all the current administrations, I see only David Stearns as someone who can get it done and it's going to be tricky for the Mets because their pitching is not strong compared to the NL West teams. Leon Rose is pretty good, but the Knicks always seem one player too shy.

It starts with a GM who has an idea for culture and a blueprint. I'm not sure Drury is that guy. We'll know more in a few months based on the draft and UFA.
 
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Hell the most recent championship is now over 13 years ago. (Sorry I don't count the WNBA) Can't just be a coincidence.
I mean, does the WNBA team not play in the same city?

Was it not the same city from 2007 to 2011 when the Yankees and Giants won three titles?

Ignoring that New York has a lot of teams (so of course they have the most titles by far), the Yankees, Giants, Knicks, and Rangers are one of the most decorated sets of four teams in North American sports.

The answer to this is a resounding no.
 
I mean, does the WNBA team not play in the same city?

Was it not the same city from 2007 to 2011 when the Yankees and Giants won three titles?

Ignoring that New York has a lot of teams (so of course they have the most titles by far), the Yankees, Giants, Knicks, and Rangers are one of the most decorated sets of four teams in North American sports.

The answer to this is a resounding no.
It's not the same city, not the same environment.
 

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