Literally what makes it in anyway lesser than Crosby’s goal? Especially considering McDavid was better during the tournament than Crosby was in 2010
Is mcdavid too good not to win a cup?
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Foppberg
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The scope of the tournament? Seems pretty obvious
MadLuke
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Closest would a long prime of Orr/Gretzky and we will never know of course....
89-90-91 Gretzky was still quite good, but that just 3 years, Orr was cut short and he did won 2 of them of a stacked team.
Scoring at that level make you a dangerous contender, that rolling the dice every post season, which make it likely to happen if you have a long prime like he seem to have.. But it is still 4 round of hockey to win.
The first best on best in over a decade? In the prime of USA vs Canada political debates?
There is no difference in the level, and trying to point that out is once again, hilarious.
Lol. There were 4 teams dude.
Better finish: 2010 Slovakia or 2025 Finland? I assume they are the same to you?
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Scotty Bowman's list is a joke but whatever, he's entitled to his opinion !Dionne that high up is going to be extremely uncommon.
Look at the 1998 Hockey News list.
Dionne at 38 all time. No Soviets. No one born after 1975. No pre NHLers.
Even Dionne's contemporaries viewed him as a secondary star. Direct contemporaries like Lafleur, Bossy, Trottier, Gretzky, Clarke, Dryden and Robinson are all ahead.
Look at the last HoH top 100 list. Only 30 of 32 voters had him top 100. He ended up finishing 63rd.
Or Scotty Bowman's list. Dionne at 46 amongst Canadians only.
You can read the contemporary newspapers if you want. Dionne behind Lafleur, Trottier, Bossy is pretty evident in Dionne's prime. Obviously Gretzky is different.
Compare that to McDavid, who is unanimously considered the best of his era.
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Do you think there is many golden gold celebration montage for the 4-nation tourney than the 2010 in Vancouver Olympics ?
According to rating, the 2010 gold medal could have been the most watched television event in Canada history, 49.8 rating (half of Canada watching the entire game on average), 22 millions were watching during the final minutes, 26.5 millions watched some part of it (88% of the country).
27.6 millions in the USA:
Canada-U.S. hockey draws historic TV ratings
Sunday's epic -- won by Canada 3-2 in overtime -- was the most-watched hockey game since the gold-medal game in 1980
Vancouver 2010: Hockey Final Tops Off Record-Setting Olympics Ratings
The Vancouver Winter Olympics went out with a bang as the networks of NBC Universal and the Canada’s Olympic Broadcast Media Consortium registered huge ...
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4-nation was around 5.7 millions viewer average in Canada, 7.3 millions peak, 10.7 millions with all non-broadcast form included, 9-10 millions in the US.
Nation tourney was bigger than expected, because of the reason you gave and the intensity of the players, against FInland I imagine it would have not been that hot, but not Olympics during a non-work day big.
Olympics gold medal is another level, people follow sport they do not care about at all in the Olympics, you add being hockey above that....
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Ah yes, I forgot how important games against Austria and Norway are to the legacy of a players
Makes perfect sense!
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2009 is Crosby’s most impressive playoff run for sure, and while he was the best player through three rounds, it was Malkin’s performance that’s historically remembered. Crosby stepped up at the right moments when his team needed him. I’ll admit that 2009 was an all time carry job for Malkin and Crosby among cup winners.
McDavid and Leon had similarly near 100% separation from the third best scorers in 2022. Number of >0.5 ppg scorers:
Pit 09: 8
EDM 2022: 6
EDM 2024: 5
(Not to mention 09 was a lower scoring era)
Sure, Edmonton’s top end talent played better, but the depth performance was much weaker. Overall the Pens scoring was more spread out despite Malkin and Crosby being so clear of #3.
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Big differences.
McDavid and Leon shared 22 points and were each other's most common ES linemate, Crosby and Malkin shared 12.
McDavid (10) and Leon (7) were #3 and #4 in goals, and had 26% of the Oilers total goals, Crosby (15) and Malkin (14) had 37% of the Pens totals goals.
McDavid and Leon were going full out offense that contributed to the Oilers having, by far, the worst GA for a team to make it to the 3rd round in the last 30 years.
The bottomline is, there is more confidence in Crosby taking the Oilers roster to the Cup than there is McDavid taking the Pens roster, notably in 2009. With Crosby, the Oilers could load up a 2nd line (or 3rd line) like they did in '16 and '17 to create much needed depth and overall better team defense.
McDavid is an offensive weapon and used as such getting as he gets a lot more offensive zone starts and better linemates than Crosby who was clearly being relied on to play a 2-way role for their last two Cups. In 2016 and 2017, his ES OZ start % was 56 vs. 70% for Malkin and Kessel. McDavid's ES OZ% is 65% over the past five seasons.
I think it comes down to their strengths which can dictate team strategy. McDavid is more similar to Jagr and Ovechkin, at their peaks, in that there is reward for them to always have their offensive hat on as they, line McDavid, are argubly Top 10 offensive talents all-time but it comes with a bit of risk in the d-zone. Crosby could be relied on to go into the corners to dig pucks out in the d-zone, and do it effectively, and still produce at a league best PPG.
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It's dumb to say that McDavid needs a Cup in order to be rated above players with clearly inferior resumes.
It's dumb not to acknowledge that a generational talent winning a Cup in a 32 team league is more difficult than in the past, and especially in the Cap era.
It's also dumb to put him on the same tier as Wayne and Mario without getting into some life shortening time machine discussion.
It's dumb not to acknowledge that a generational talent winning a Cup in a 32 team league is more difficult than in the past, and especially in the Cap era.
It's also dumb to put him on the same tier as Wayne and Mario without getting into some life shortening time machine discussion.
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