Is mcdavid too good not to win a cup?

[dryope]

They didn't have Hossa in 2009 and Gonchar was playing injured after OV's cheapshot in round 2. The team wasn't notably playing a run and gun style to suit their star forwards' strengths.

And still love the bitterness about losing in 2009. Are you one those who blames the NHL for starting the SCF too soon?

One depth thing is, that Oilers are lacking the "turns it up two notches in the playoffs" types among their better supporting players (the ones who don't depend solely on catching lightning in a bottle for one postseason). I'd point at Nuge and Nurse here.
When the Pens looked bad, it looked like Malkin, Letang and Staal were trying too hard and throwing idiotic penalty meltdowns. When the Oilers look bad, they look like only Draisaitl is trying at all.

At the end of the day though, everyone had these "OMG defense sucks, goaltending sucks, how are wasting the golden years of two generational players" and "trade Malkin" fits about the Pens reguarly from 2011-15. McDavid will still get it done most likely. Even the Caps did eventually.

 

[daver]

One depth thing is, that Oilers are lacking the "turns it up two notches in the playoffs" types among their better supporting players (the ones who don't depend solely on catching lightning in a bottle for one postseason). I'd point at Nuge and Nurse here.
When the Pens looked bad, it looked like Malkin, Letang and Staal were trying too hard and throwing idiotic penalty meltdowns. When the Oilers look bad, they look like only Draisaitl is trying at all.

At the end of the day though, everyone had these "OMG defense sucks, goaltending sucks, how are wasting the golden years of two generational players" and "trade Malkin" fits about the Pens reguarly from 2011-15. McDavid will still get it done most likely. Even the Caps did eventually.

We'll see. Until then, comments that Mario and Wayne are his only comparables are going to be challenged.

 

[Cup Or Bust]

Lol. This nonsense again?

His defensive play has been good for multiple seasons and was really good in last years playoffs when he won the Conn Smyth Trophy. McDavid's defensive play has zero to do with the Oilers not winning. Lack of depth and goaltending has been the problem.

 

[authentic]

Carey Price didn't win a cup. Hasek didn't win a cup until signing with a stacked team. If guys who were undisputedly the best player in the entire league for at least a year like those two couldn't do it despite carrying bad teams to the finals, McDavid isn't a lock either. There's two other forwards just as good as he is that have better teams around them. This isn't the NBA.

There are?

 

[nbwingsfan]

Can't go down 4-0 and be invisible for nearly 2 periods if you're "too good"

So if he had scored the same 4pts spread out over the rest of the game they would have won?

The mcdavid hater arguments are so flawed and pathetic

 

[bambamcam4ever]

So if he had scored the same 4pts spread out over the rest of the game they would have won?

The mcdavid hater arguments are so flawed and pathetic

Yes, are you unaware of score effects? A losing team has to push for more offense and as a result gives up more chances on the other end. There's a reason why the stat often cited is the team scoring first wins like 75% of the time, not the team scoring first after one team goes down 4-0.

 

[madmike77]

The real question should be is he dominant enough to win a Cup with Stuart Skinner as his starting goalie?

 

[NVious]

He's not even that good, only got 4 points and barely scored the game tying goal in the last minute.

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

He's insanely good.
But he still needs a team around him capable of winning the cup.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

It's a team sport , go look at the teams Wayne played on

 

[WiLBoY]

One depth thing is, that Oilers are lacking the "turns it up two notches in the playoffs" types among their better supporting players (the ones who don't depend solely on catching lightning in a bottle for one postseason). I'd point at Nuge and Nurse here.
When the Pens looked bad, it looked like Malkin, Letang and Staal were trying too hard and throwing idiotic penalty meltdowns. When the Oilers look bad, they look like only Draisaitl is trying at all.

At the end of the day though, everyone had these "OMG defense sucks, goaltending sucks, how are wasting the golden years of two generational players" and "trade Malkin" fits about the Pens reguarly from 2011-15. McDavid will still get it done most likely. Even the Caps did eventually.

Exactly. People criticize every team when they're losing and then praise their depth once the team wins a cup. People were criticizing the wingers Crosby had at the time too and MAF in net when they were losing games.

Last year when Oilers were doing well, fans were talking about how great the depth is and suddenly now it's just McDavid and Drai again? If they start winning, that won't be the same conversation

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Lots of players in the HoF without cups.

Not that many

 

[Sky04]

How many did it in a 32 team league with a hard salary cap?.

Excuses, all the top players today are still winning, well except for McDavid.

 

[Sky04]

The correct question is "is Stuart Skinner so poor that he can single handily stop Connor McDavid from winning a cup?". The answer to that is a resounding yes.

"Connor McDavid turns puck over with a careless backhand and gets scored on with 40 secs left"

 

[nbwingsfan]

Yes, are you unaware of score effects? A losing team has to push for more offense and as a result gives up more chances on the other end. There's a reason why the stat often cited is the team scoring first wins like 75% of the time, not the team scoring first after one team goes down 4-0.

Yes, him getting an assist in the 1st period instead of the 3rd definitely would have helped Skinner stop a shot going 4mph.

Flawless logic my guy.

Absolutely pathetic you’re trying to out blame on the guy who single handedly kept them in the game.

 

[nbwingsfan]

He's not even that good, only got 4 points and barely scored the game tying goal in the last minute.

Yeah but all four points, entirely on the backs of his effort, were in the 3rd period so they don’t count and he was actually bad that game.

Everyone knows this.

 

[quackquackquack]

That's kind of the whole reason why I hate him lol He's clearly a generational talent but the touting of "head and shoulders above his peers" is simply not true if he never wins a cup. Sorry.

 

[nbwingsfan]

"Connor McDavid turns puck over with a careless backhand and gets scored on with 40 secs left"

Yes, that goal was definitely on McDavid and not the goalie who let in a 5mph shot

 

[Sky04]

Yes, that goal was definitely on McDavid and not the goalie who let in a 5mph shot

Let's ignore the odd man rush caused by a weak turnover under no pressure under a minute left, that's not how you win playoff games but let's blame the goalie for a 3 on 2 screened shot.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Tough to say whether he gets a cup. We’ve never seen a generational player with such terrible successive management groups. Chia, Holland, Jackson and now Bowman. That’s a heck of a handicap for even one of the top 5 greatest players of all time to overcome. None of the other guys had such a poor supporting group including questionable D and bottom of the barrel goaltending. His playoff performances have already been legendary including last nights 4 point night and clutch goal that would have been an iconic one had his team won.

 

[Sky04]

Tough to say whether he gets a cup. We’ve never seen a generational player with such terrible successive management groups. Chia, Holland, Jackson and now Bowman. That’s a heck of a handicap for even one of the top 5 greatest players of all time to overcome. None of the other guys had such a poor supporting group including questionable D and bottom of the barrel goaltending.

If he re-signs in Edmonton he's a complete moron.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Let's ignore the odd man rush caused by a weak turnover under no pressure under a minute left, that's not how you win playoff games but let's blame the goalie for a 3 on 2 screened shot.

Let me ask you this. Replace McDavid with any single forward in the NHL.

Do you think Edmonton comes anywhere close to winning the game?

Also weak turnover? He’s looking to get the puck in deep, LA D did a good job knocking it down, Bouchard decided to pinch because ?????? And the Skinner let in a shot he could have got bare handed it was floating so slow.

People truly will see whatever they want to see, and its sad and hilarious at the same time

 

[WarriorofTime]

Well it is inevitable that in a 32-team NHL, players distributed around via a draft system, and a hard salary cap that eventually a true Titan of the game is going to retire without having won a Stanley Cup. I think currently using the history forum's "top 100" list as a guide, the best players perhaps outside of a couple Soviets that played the bulk of their career outside of the NHL, to retire without a Cup are guys like Brad Park and Marcel Dionne, who while great players, are borderline top 50 all time players.

McDavid still has a lot of time, but it's far from a guarantee. If you look around the league, the best players are all really in that 0-3 Cups range which means there's so much "right place, right time" that goes into it. Now add even another layer which is a player like McDavid can't just sign one of those 12 year type deals to ensure he gets paid big in his prime while also lowering the AAV to make it easier for the team.

I hope he is not the one that becomes the poster for "best player without a Cup", he doesn't deserve it but if the Oilers don't win this year (and I don't love their chances) then it starts to become a more and more creeping possibility every year. Even a "Ray Bourque" last game of his career joining an already top team is just so tough these days with the Cap. We saw Joe Thornton hang on as long as possible like a sick old dog that needed to put down a while ago just bouncing around the very bottom of rosters to try and just etch his name on the Cup, and that still wasn't enough. I hope that's not what it comes to with McDavid. Nobody wants a sad old 44 year old 14th forward McDavid on his fourth team in four years just to try and get any sort of residual "Stanley Cup Champion" glow.

 

[Sky04]

Let me ask you this. Replace McDavid with any single forward in the NHL.

Do you think Edmonton comes anywhere close to winning the game?

Also weak turnover? He’s looking to get the puck in deep, LA D did a good job knocking it down, Bouchard decided to pinch because ?????? And the Skinner let in a shot he could have got bare handed it was floating so slow.

People truly will see whatever they want to see, and its sad and hilarious at the same time

"Looking to get it deep" nice way of saying he turned it over unnecessarily. Bouchard pinched cause he expected the puck to go deep not his captain turning it over and giving right to the kings dman for a quick breakout.

 

[gary559]

Only guys I've ever seen with the ability to carry a team were Hasek and Giguere.