Is Mcdavid the greatest Athlete in the big 4 Sports since Lebron James?

[Voight]

Two MVP's in a month or soon.

Plus...2 SB trips. 1 win. SB MVP.

Top 5 in every stat since 2018.

He is nowhere near the top 5 QBs in NFL history.

Will he be when he retires? Possibly.

 

[HighAndTight]

I think Ohtani is a bit unfair because don’t you think there could have been other baseball players over the years/decades who could have done what Ohtani is doing if they were allowed to pitch and hit at the same time? OR is he really that unique, once in 100 years type of talent?

Ive often thought the same of Pat Mahomes. Im not saying he isnt very talented, but next to no QB has been given the green light that he has, maybe except Farve.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Didn't MJ try the old ball game in his 30's and suck at it? Maybe it's tougher than it looks.

It had to do with the quickness of his bat swing, which is something specialized from youth to adulthood. Each sport has its physical specialization, or do you really think MLB players can compete in cardio with NBA players.

You can probably do better than your lazy strawman as I've never stated baseball is easy. Logic isn't easy to everyone either, it seems.

 

[Hanji]

McDavid is nowhere close to the best all-round athlete. Watching any NFL combine should tell you this.

Hockey's best athletes are the best of a miniscule talent pool compared to, say, football, basketball, etc.
It's infinately more difficult to be a top footballer than a top NHLer.

 

[Coffey]

True. But every NHLer presumably can run, not every other athlete can skate.

And being able to dribble circles around hockey players while being the soccer GOAT isn’t a big deal.

 

[Unsustainable]

McDavid is nowhere close to the best all-round athlete. Watching any NFL combine should tell you this.

Hockey's best athletes are the best of a miniscule talent pool compared to, say, football, basketball, etc.
It's infinately more difficult to be a top footballer than a top NHLer.

You have to consider the pool of athletes for each sport. Hockey is lower on the list in the states for sports. If Americans played hockey in the same percentage as Canadians as kids, it would be a different story. But most athletic kids are in Football, BB, Baseball.

Could you imagine NFL middle line backers on the ice?

 

[CN8]

It's sad to me that people still try to deny Crosby and his greatness.

Lmao the dude has f*** all left to prove. It's done. He did it. He's an all time great probably in the 5-7 range. He won everything and has bonkers stats to back it up despite having devastating injuries in his prime. He's a legend and Canadian icon now and in the history books. Everything else he's done aside, the Golden Goal at home in OT against the USA while hosting the Olympics with the world watching along with all of the entire Canadian population - that was as big as it will ever get. If you can't grasp how big a moment that was for Canadian hockey pride, you need to think on it more.

Having said that, McDavid is somehow an even better offensive player. And much more dangerous with the puck. But it's yet TBD if Crosby was a better overall player imo.

He doesn't need to win the same amount of championships or medals as Crosby - because that's just unfair and unrealistic for anyone. But if he finished his career and has legacy of always falling short in the big moments, his stats will have to be even better than they are now to justify ranking him above.

This is probably the best, unbiased post I’ve read on here in a year

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

And who is Leborn James? Don't watch or care about the NBA.

 

[CN8]

For me a big measuring stick is remembering Mario missing like 20 games and never doubting he’d win the Ross. I love McD but if you told me his out for the next 20 my money on him winning the Ross ain’t happen ending.
On top of all this I put Gretz ahead of Mario yet

 

[Saucechucker99]

 

[Daximus]

It had to do with the quickness of his bat swing, which is something specialized from youth to adulthood. Each sport has its physical specialization, or do you really think MLB players can compete in cardio with NBA players.

You can probably do better than your lazy strawman as I've never stated baseball is easy. Logic isn't easy to everyone either, it seems.

You sure played it off as not very hard. Own your words bud.

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

McDavid is dominant offensively, maybe the most dominant since Jagr. He's not Lebron and he will never be on Lebron's level.

Lebron made the NBA finals for EIGHT CONSECUTIVE SEASONS.

 

[Hanji]

You have to consider the pool of athletes for each sport. Hockey is lower on the list in the states for sports. If Americans played hockey in the same percentage as Canadians as kids, it would be a different story. But most athletic kids are in Football, BB, Baseball.

Could you imagine NFL middle line backers on the ice?

Yep. But it's not llimited to the US.

Could you imagine the athletic freaks of nature playing in the NHL if we had football's (soccer's) talent pool? It would be crazy.
Hockey currently has 1.6 million people playing globally. Football is 275 million.

 

[DearDiary]

He already has 2x as many Art Ross', same amount of Harts/Pearsons/1st AST's.

The only award Crosby beats him in is Richards.

(didn't include the Smythe because thats an exclusive trophy; i.e. your team has to make the finals so its not available to every player in the league to win)

That isn't enough to separate a player into another tier, when again at 517 games played McDavid averages 120 points per 82, while Crosby does 115
Otherwise, would you put Ovechkin in a tier above Crosby as well for winning more awards?

McDavid has also averaged out to playing in a higher scoring environment. Crosby at 35 years old is on pace to smash his peak level at ES. Just last season, players like Gaudreau, Tkachuk and Kaprisov beat out Crosby's peak numbers.

 

[Daximus]

Yep. But it's not llimited to the US.

Could you imagine the athletic freaks of nature playing in the NHL if we had football's (soccer's) talent pool? It would be crazy.
Hockey currently has 1.6 million people playing globally. Football is 275 million.

Hockey would be insane if it had the same talent investment that football does. Hockey is the most popular sport in exactly 1 country.

 

[hamzarocks]

And who is Leborn James? Don't watch or care about the NBA.

Not knowing who LeBron James is living in North America is like not knowing Jesus in Christianity

He's impossible to not know. Like it's painful at times how much media coverage he and his stooge media group ensure he gets

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

You sure played it off as not very hard. Own your words bud.

"Not as hard" doesn't equal "Not hard"

Hone your logic before giving lessons, kid.

Saying one sport is more difficult than another doesn't in any way mean the other is easy.

You're the one who created that strawman, because you can't actually argue against what I said. Please show me where I said "baseball is easy" or "baseball is not very hard".

 

[Unsustainable]

Not knowing who LeBron James is living in North America is like not knowing Jesus in Christianity

He's impossible to not know. Like it's painful at times how much media coverage he and his stooge media group ensure he gets

If you swing by ESPN, they try to sell him as having a greater impact than Jordan, which is ridiculous.

 

[psycat]

You say this like hockey doesn't have a huge financial barrier. Or that kids in developed countries have way more options than soccer which is why they aren't tilted to that sport unless there's a pre-existing national prestige for the sport.

You wanna know why soccer is so popular globally? Because it's cheap af to play and accessible to almost everyone on the planet. Almost like water. You think kids in Africa or Asia can afford to play hockey, baseball or football? LOL They never get exposure to those sports because they can't afford them, so they get steered to soccer. If these kids in those regions had a chance to play all sports and then pick which one they liked most that's one thing, that's not what's happening though.

Just because something is the most common doesn't make it the best, it just means its the cheapest thing around. A poor person is going to think water is the best drink ever because he's too poor to afford anything better, that doesn't mean there's nothing that tastes better.

Hockey doesn't get the best athletes, they get the best out of all kids from wealthy parents. A group not known for their physical attributes.

I did call Hockey a fringe sport in the very post you are quoting? You seem to be a generational strawmen builder, a full post just ranting about stuff that I never claimed.

Lol Basketball is practiced by almost a billion people worldwide.

This whole notion of accessibility because of height is assinine. Basing the GOAT on the popularity of the sport is also equally assinine.

What I look at is what is needed physically to dominate that sport.

Never, that number can't be true I won't even bother to look it up it's just a 100% unrealistic number and if you believe it's even close to true I have a bridge to sell you.

Look at the average height in NBA.

If you wan't to look at what it physically takes to dominate a sport, which is a very weird way of looking at it I think, you would have to give it to someone like Pogacar(or some other endurance sport, perhaps aformentioned Djokovic)in any team game you can kinda float around, heck in hockey you even have substitutes etc.

 

[jigglysquishy]

Hockey would be insane if it had the same talent investment that football does. Hockey is the most popular sport in exactly 1 country.

It is only a few years away from no longer being the most popular in Canada either.

 

[Daximus]

It is only a few years away from no longer being the most popular in Canada either.

That's generally what happens when your sport is unaffordable for the majority of the country.

 

[Nadal On Clay]

Might be a bit early, but Justin Jefferson is currently having the best first 3 seasons for a wide receiver ever, from a raw numbers standpoint at least. While it’s hard to put an NFL player who’s not a QB in here, Jefferson could end up being that guy from the NFL if he stays healthy throughout his career.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I did call Hockey a fringe sport in the very post you are quoting? You seem to be a generational strawmen builder, a full post just ranting about stuff that I never claimed.



Never, that number can't be true I won't even bother to look it up it's just a 100% unrealistic number and if you believe it's even close to true I have a bridge to sell you.

Look at the average height in NBA.

If you wan't to look at what it physically takes to dominate a sport, which is a very weird way of looking at it I think, you would have to give it to someone like Pogacar(or some other endurance sport, perhaps aformentioned Djokovic)in any team game you can kinda float around, heck in hockey you even have substitutes etc.

Every chinese high school in major cities have gymnasiums with basketball courts, they have leagues and everything. It's been an international sport since Jordan popularized it. It's played across Europe, Asia and the Americas. It's almost as accessible as soccer so it's no surprise.

My wife is a teacher and has lived in many Asian countries, including China. Basketball is a popular sport there. Many Asian friends I've had in America also liked basketball a lot, including Laosians, Vietnamese and Philipinos.

 

[psycat]

Every chinese high school in major cities have gymnasiums with basketball courts, they have leagues and everything. It's been an international sport since Jordan popularized it. It's played across Europe, Asia and the Americas. It's almost as accessible as soccer so it's no surprise.

It's also wrong I just looked it up since I couldn't believe it and it's not even half of that and it includes every recreational player. So maybe half a billion plays, including being forced to do it in school etc.

There are _6_ Chinese players in the NBA that's lower than the number of Slovaks in NHL for comparison. As I already said it's a sport basically made for a select few.

By that definition walking is the most competetive sport I suppose since pretty much everyone does it.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

It's also wrong I just looked it up since I couldn't believe it and it's not even half of that and it includes every recreational player. So maybe half a billion plays, including being forced to do it in school etc.

By that definition walking is the most competetive sport I suppose since pretty much everyone does it.

You didn't look up shit. Basketball has always been popular in Asian countries, the most populous region in the world.

Look up the world atlas, it says around 800 million.