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Is Matthews the worst playoff performer ever?

I might get a reaction out of this, but besides his shot and playmaking abiity, what else does Matthews possess?

Even at the Four Nations, I feel like he's not as fast as I thought he was, and he is not physical at all (not that he has to be)
He's a very strong skater with great edges but is not a burner. He also protects the puck very well in traffic and can hold off defenders but isn't a banger. He's also very good at faceoffs and is a good two-way player. He's certainly more than just his shot, which ironically is what he struggled with the most this year and particularly in the playoffs.
 
As much as I hate the phrase "he's got that DAWG in em", that is exactly Matthews problem. No DAWG. Watch Mackinnon or McDavid, hell watch Crosby. They have "extra" gear that pushes them. Matthews doesn't and some people just don't have it in them.

To me, it looks like Matthews just plays hockey for the paycheque.
He likes Hockey, he doesn't love it.
 
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Yes elite. He cancelled out Barkov, so if Barkov is elite shut down then so is Matthews.
"Cancelled out Barkov"

Matthews vs. Barkov at 5on5:
CF% - 33.9%
FF% - 37.5%
SF% - 46.5%
GF% - 50%
xGF% - 39.8%
SCF% - 34.4%
HDCF% - 50%

Sure, in terms of "raw" numbers he "cancelled" Barkov out. But if you look deeper, Barkov's line dominated Matthews' line in pretty much every shot/chance metric this series.
 
It's the same team that shut out the Panthers 2-0 on the road 2 days earlier. The makeup is fine, it doesn't have to be perfect to win a 7 game series.

It's entirely a mental thing. The pressure is too intense. The fans throw beer and jerseys at their players and boo them off the ice in Toronto if they don't show up. They're terrified to lose, that's the problem, and I can't say I blame them.
so they are mental midgets? it's the fans fault? seriously? what?
 
Is he elite?

Elite was Marchand this playoffs. He is 12GP 13PT +12

Matthews

13GP 11P +/- of 0

Matthews last 5 games against FLA? When it got tough? MINUS 3 lol

Yup, elite defensively
Compared to the leafs core 4, Marchand is old, plays with checkers, gets paid the least, doesn't get the ice time or PP time like his Bruins days, and since he's getting old he's been trending down since his peak years around covid time.

Yet, he dominated the core 4 like it was easy peasy. And not just him. That florida checking line did.

It reminded me when the top Sens line way back got manhandled by the Ducks checking line in the finals.
 
Yes and had Toronto won game 7 playing like they did in game 6, Barkov would still be elite. Because unlike you, I can be objective.
I understand. You like 34 and rightfully also. If you like his career playoff performance and if you think Mathews was good against Florida, and played especially well in game 7, then we simply disagree.

34 is a good player, but not up to now a difference maker. If I was a Toronto fan, which I am not, I would not be happy with 34 's playoff performance, thru all those years, including this year.

By comparaison, Barkov and the Panthers do have a chance to go in the SC final for a third year.
 
"Cancelled out Barkov"

Matthews vs. Barkov at 5on5:
CF% - 33.9%
FF% - 37.5%
SF% - 46.5%
GF% - 50%
xGF% - 39.8%
SCF% - 34.4%
HDCF% - 50%

Sure, in terms of "raw" numbers he "cancelled" Barkov out. But if you look deeper, Barkov's line dominated Matthews' line in pretty much every shot/chance metric this series.
And is Barkov a 60 goal scorer? You could say barkov cancelled AM out. The guy known for scoring goals lol.
 
so they are mental midgets? it's the fans fault? seriously? what?
Why are you so concerned with who's "fault" it is? It's just the reality of the situation that Toronto's fans and media are absolutely brutal to play for when things don't go well, and these particular players don't seem to be able to handle it.
 
Why are you so concerned with who's "fault" it is? It's just the reality of the situation that Toronto's fans and media are absolutely brutal to play for when things don't go well, and these particular players don't seem to be able to handle it.
Isn't this the same in every real hockey market.I am not sure how different it is when NY, Boston, Montreal etc.. market are compared to Toronto
 
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Why are you so concerned with who's "fault" it is? It's just the reality of the situation that Toronto's fans and media are absolutely brutal to play for when things don't go well, and these particular players don't seem to be able to handle it.
AM gets paid a premium to play in the fish bowl...the mecca of hockey...some excel and some wilt.

Blaming the fans or pressure or the media is a cop out. Winners win and losers lose.

I'll say this...Ovi finally broke through in 2017 and he is forever immortalized in Wash

AM still has years to win a Cup. The caps were known "chokers" so Matthews can still change the narrative.

Right now...today...dude is a certified loser on the ice. He has millions and everything he could want off the ice.
 
Why are you so concerned with who's "fault" it is? It's just the reality of the situation that Toronto's fans and media are absolutely brutal to play for when things don't go well, and these particular players don't seem to be able to handle it.
Some players can handle it, some cant.

There's no proof AM and the rest of the core 4 bombing out is even media related until we see the in a different uniform, BUT we can see JT shrivel up. And not because he's old now, but his playoff stats already started to drop vs his Islander days when he joned a high powered Leafs team he should be racking up the pts. JT actually did better in playoffs on those inconsistent Isles teams where his best linemate was Kyle Okposo lucky to get 60 pts.

But getting back to media, some players still do fine on Leafs. Sundin did fine. And he played on some bad teams. And everyone ragged on him being a big soft player, was captain, got nailed with media questions, but he still did consistently well compared to reg season.

Clark and Gilmour did fine in playoffs. Even Phil Kessel who'd get grilled for eons as a guy who cant get the leafs far and is a fat hotdog eater had decent playoffs stats in his one Leafs playoff series. And if you look at his other Bruins and Pens playoffs, they are good too. Only when he got older dished around to Arizona/Vegas did he tail off.

But the core 4 have had consistently sub par playoff performance for 9 years (esp when its important in games 5-7 when it counts the most to close off a series).
 
AM gets paid a premium to play in the fish bowl...the mecca of hockey...some excel and some wilt.

Blaming the fans or pressure or the media is a cop out. Winners win and losers lose.

I'll say this...Ovi finally broke through in 2017 and he is forever immortalized in Wash

AM still has years to win a Cup. The caps were known "chokers" so Matthews can still change the narrative.

Right now...today...dude is a certified loser on the ice. He has millions and everything he could want off the ice.
I blame the players and the fans. Nobody gets away from this disaster without some accountability. But 60 years without a cup final isn't an accident. Every other Canadian market (except Winnipeg) managed to make it to the finals since then. You think that's a coincidence? Or do you think just maybe the brutality of the market adds a significant amount of pressure to that team that makes winning harder than it is for other teams?
 
Isn't this the same in every real hockey market.I am not sure how different it is when NY, Boston, Montreal etc.. market are compared to Toronto
There's a huge difference lol. Boston and New York have other sports to distract their fans. The only comparable market is Montreal, but their culture and pride in their team makes it a bit easier. You'll never see Habs fans hating their team, they're too proud to act like that. They'll act stupid occasionally out of frustration, like with the fake cheer for Roy, but for the most part the Canadiens are sacred to them.
 
Why are you so concerned with who's "fault" it is? It's just the reality of the situation that Toronto's fans and media are absolutely brutal to play for when things don't go well, and these particular players don't seem to be able to handle it.
Toronto fans, like everywhere, just want their players to show they give a damn.
 

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