Is Matthews the worst playoff performer ever?

[John Mandalorian]

Those were Alan Walsh’s words.

JT was never on McDavid level. Players like McDavid will always have the opportunity to make around the same value on a year by year basis or a long term contract.


My personal hope is he signs a long term contract. But we’ve seen with Matthews who only signed a 5 year contract that was is an appetite for shorter term contracts. I’m also probably going to throw more weight behind an actual nhl agent opinion on matters like this than some random on the internet.

Don’t take my word for it. Alan Walsh is the one the predicting short term contracts in the nhl, not me. He also only said this happens if the salary cap keeps rising. Again. This isn’t my prediction or original thought. It comes from nhl agent Alan Walsh. So you know there will be players looking at these types contract.

It doesn’t work in a flat cap world. So that’s why Klingberg was an awful example So is JT because he doesn’t lead the team in anything and he hasn’t won anything of note, especially over the course of his 11 million contract. But then again it was the flat cap era. So still not apple to apples imo.

At the time, Tavares was an elite level player. If not top five, then top 10. That's obviously no longer the case. But it illustrates how it can backfire.

Regarding McDavid, yes he might do that. But I can just as easily see him aligning his contract with Draisaitl's time remaining on his deal.

 

[Oilslick941611]

At the time, Tavares was an elite level player. If not top five, then top 10. That's obviously no longer the case. But it illustrates how it can backfire.

Regarding McDavid, yes he might do that. But I can just as easily see him aligning his contract with Draisaitl's time remaining on his deal.

Not quite true. But you also said the last 3/4 year for a timeline. Not when he signed his deal with Toronto.

Sure it can backfire. I’m not arguing that. I’m not arguing for it anyway. I just said what Alan Walsh said and that I can see it happening. That’s all. I’m not on board with it. I’d much prefer a long term contract or medium term contract over yearly deals.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

There’s a huge gulf between the kinds of the player they are


Also Alan Wash is the predicting this type of contract becoming more and more prevalent in the coming years and he’s one of the guys negotiating contracts. He expects stars to sign contracts like LeBron a year or two long to maximize dollar amount.

This only happens is the salary keep rising though.

Walsh is a f***ing moron.

Imagine what his premiere #1 client Jonathan Huberdeau's career earning would be on a short term contract vs his current guaranteed 8 years.

His 2nd largest contract is Hronek, who is paid $7.25m till 2032. You think he should've gambled with a short-term contract after a career season?

He's a moron if he doesn't understand the simple concept of player performance dropoff as they age, and potential earning loss to injury in a sport with an insanely high rate of injury.

 

[34]

Its going to take a lot more than 1 goal in 1 game for me to change my opinion on 9 years of playoff Matthews, but tonight was good and he really needed it.

The difference between the Oilers and the Leafs is that they play the Stanley Cup Champions every season in the playoffs. They don’t get to play Against Talbot every year.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

3 Rockets, Hart Trophy, Ted Lindsay, 50 goals in 50 games, almost 70 goals last season. Scored more goals than Ovechkin since entering the NHL.

All meaningless if he can't get it done in the playoffs. Nobody will deny he's an incredible player... in the regular season. The knock against Matthews is the playoffs.

Now that he's finally on the board, Sunday night could be the first step to changing that mindset. If he scores again and brings Toronto to the Conference finals for the first time in 23 years, no one gives a shit what happened in the previous two rounds.

 

[John Mandalorian]

The difference between the Oilers and the Leafs is that they play the Stanley Cup Champions every season in the playoffs. They don’t get to play Against Talbot every year.

Not a winning argument. Hasn’t Edmonton played the eventual SC champions the last three years? The fact that they played them later in the playoffs isn’t helping your comment.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Walsh is a f***ing moron.

Imagine what his premiere #1 client Jonathan Huberdeau's career earning would be on a short term contract vs his current guaranteed 8 years.

His 2nd largest contract is Hronek, who is paid $7.25m till 2032. You think he should've gambled with a short-term contract after a career season?

He's a moron if he doesn't understand the simple concept of player performance dropoff as they age, and potential earning loss to injury in a sport with an insanely high rate of injury.

he wasn't adovacting this for everyone. Just the elite of elite. Lebron was used as an example.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Not a winning argument. Hasn’t Edmonton played the eventual SC champions the last three years? The fact that they played them later in the playoffs isn’t helping your comment.

and the fact the Oilers have been in the WCF 3 of the last 4 years and the SCF last year.

The two teams have nothing in common when it comes to playoff performance and pedigree.

 

[Oilslick941611]

The difference between the Oilers and the Leafs is that they play the Stanley Cup Champions every season in the playoffs. They don’t get to play Against Talbot every year.

im not even sure what you are trying to say here, so im gonna pretend you didn't post this, because well....


unless you mean the Oilers play the SC champs every year in the playoffs, because thats true, the Oilers have lost to the SC champs for the last 3 years in a later round than the leafs and only played Talbot once. However we did a series in 2017 with talbot, im not sure what your point is here.

are you trying to say the leafs have had more playoff success than the oIlers?

 

[Sasha Orlov]

3 Rockets, Hart Trophy, Ted Lindsay, 50 goals in 50 games, almost 70 goals last season. Scored more goals than Ovechkin since entering the NHL.

1 goal past the first round in his career lmfao

 

[WhiskeyEE]

The difference between the Oilers and the Leafs is that they play the Stanley Cup Champions every season in the playoffs. They don’t get to play Against Talbot every year.

The Oilers have lost to the champs the last 3 years. The Leafs 0 times.

edit: I just checked and the Leafs haven't played the Stanley Cup champs since 2000 when they lost to the Devils.

Legit 13 straight playoff appearances without having to play the champs.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

The Oilers have lost to the champs the last 3 years. The Leafs 0 times.

edit: I just checked and the Leafs haven't played the Stanley Cup champs since 2000 when they lost to the Devils.

Legit 13 straight playoff appearances without having to play the champs.

Bro expecting a guy named 34 to be reasonable lmao

 

[M2Beezy]

Since this jinx thread was made hes scoring at a 41 goal pace. Not bad

 

[NVious]

Can anyone challenge him for the Smythe at this point?

McFraud in game 6 vs the Panthers last year:
0 goals
0 assists

Matthews in game vs Panthers this year:
1 goal
Game winning goal
Amazing mustache
Gave everyone a ride on it after the game

 

[Sasha Orlov]

McFraud in game 6 vs the Panthers last year:
0 goals
0 assists

Matthews in game vs Panthers this year:
1 goal
Game winning goal
Amazing mustache
Gave everyone a ride on it after the game

Connston Smythews

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

#34 is clutch and steps up every time when his team needs him.

 

[WhiskeyEE]

Bro expecting a guy named 34 to be reasonable lmao

I guess he's probably using some irrational contrivance like referring to the champs from last year or the 'defending champs,' which makes about as much sense as fearing the Rangers because they won the presidents' trophy last year.

 

[syz]

The Oilers have lost to the champs the last 3 years. The Leafs 0 times.

edit: I just checked and the Leafs haven't played the Stanley Cup champs since 2000 when they lost to the Devils.

Legit 13 straight playoff appearances without having to play the champs.

And if the Oilers don't win this year I'd give it extremely high odds to be 4 straight. Obviously if they lose in the finals again, but I think Dallas wins the cup it if they get through the Oilers next round.

Leafs fans have talked themselves into believing the Bruins and Lightning are perennial boogie men even though the rest of the league hasn't really thought so for years.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

One shot and he’s set ‘em up nicely for a game 7 disaster instead, gotta admire his commitment to hilariousness.

 

[CanadienShark]

Theres some pretty clear separation between Draisaitl and Matthews.

You're on team Draisaitl I'm assuming? I am, personally - I've been mocked in the past for suggesting they're similar calibre. I think they're the same level, but if you gave me a choice of one, I'm taking Draisaitl.

 

[KingsFan7824]

There’s a huge gulf between the kinds of the player they are


Also Alan Wash is the predicting this type of contract becoming more and more prevalent in the coming years and he’s one of the guys negotiating contracts. He expects stars to sign contracts like LeBron a year or two long to maximize dollar amount.

This only happens is the salary keep rising though.

LeBron probably makes more money off the court than on it. There's not a hockey player on this planet that does the same. LeBron can "afford" the short term maximize money today thing.

Granted, the best of all worlds is every player is a UFA every year. That's incentive to stay at peak performance every single day.

 

[Oilslick941611]

LeBron probably makes more money off the court than on it. There's not a hockey player on this planet that does the same. LeBron can "afford" the short term maximize money today thing.

Granted, the best of all worlds is every player is a UFA every year. That's incentive to stay at peak performance every single day.

take it up with Alan Walsh, not me. Im not negotiating contracts.

 

[Strangle]

Not a winning argument. Hasn’t Edmonton played the eventual SC champions the last three years? The fact that they played them later in the playoffs isn’t helping your comment.

If you’re talking about scoring, yes it absolutely matters how late into the playoffs you eventually play the champions.

Matthews hasn’t gotten to crush Ottawa in the first round for the last 4-5 years straight

 

[Kaner9]

AM34 coming up big last 1

 

[MessierII]

If you’re talking about scoring, yes it absolutely matters how late into the playoffs you eventually play the champions.

Matthews hasn’t gotten to crush Ottawa in the first round for the last 4-5 years straight

LA would probably beat Toronto in the first round every year. Matthews has never shown he can score goals at an elite level against any playoff team really. We’ve only got a 9 year sample size to go off.