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Is Matthews the worst playoff performer ever?

The Gr8 Dane said:
When you guys win there's tons of discussion to be had , you have 100's of posts in the ottawa series and in here after the wins.

Just say you can give but can't receive it's fine
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More like, why would I waste time arguing with people that the Leafs are choking and never winning another game after every loss. Plenty of time for that IF they actually lose.

I don't see any discussion to be had. Just toxic is all it is. And I'll put the cherry on top... 90% of the shit talk is not even coming from Panthers fans but "neutral" fans.
 
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Icarium said:
I am sure you can google the countless articles from 2018-2024 lambasting Matthews for his playoff performances.

Oh, wait, I forgot, the internet isn't real life, so only your anecdotal evidence counts. Well, anecdotally, I know a guy who has been calling Matthews a playoff choker for many years now, so Q.E.D.
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You're spending your time reading random unnamed Leafs offseason articles. We found the one guy keeping that dying industry alive, everyone. This is definitely real and a thing for sure.

We went from "live TV in front of millions of viewers", to "the internet", to "countless articles", and soon it will be little scribblings on a bus stop shelter in Milton (that's a city around here). Thank God I have some random Penguins fan online in some unknown place to set me straight on the team that I cheer for in a market I live in.

Don't let me keep you from your daily Leaf article reading list, brother. It takes a little more time to get through COUNTLESS amounts of them than it does to get through the pittance of Penguins articles.
 
Tie Domi Esquire said:
We went from "live TV in front of millions of viewers", to "the internet", to "countless articles", and soon it will be little scribblings on a bus stop shelter in Milton (that's a city around here). Thank God I have some random Penguins fan online in some unknown place to set me straight on the team that I cheer for in a market I live in.
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You do love playing dumb, don't you? I said articles because I reckoned looking for broadcasts of games from past seasons might be a bit tiresome for you but if you want to do it - knock yourself out and see how this "free pass" works out for you.
 
NVious said:
Anyways he honestly might be, but he has the talent to go on a run and erase all of that.

It's insane that nearly 150 players have outscored him considering he is legit one of the greatest scorers in season history (factoring his age), 6th fastest to 400 and getting outscored by 150 guys is abysmal.

The Leafs pp going 0/30 in elimination games is also equally abysmal. How does that even happen with Matthews/Marner/Tavares/Nylander? Even if they man to man Matthews, the other 3 should feast on the 4 on 3 and all Matthews has to do is hit the open man.

The problem with Matthews is he has had 1 maybe 2 great playoff series, never anything remotely close to his obviously generational game breaking talent. You can give him a mulligan for this year because he's hurt, even last year, but where tf was he before that?

He might even be worse than Helle who at least has had a few runs and great playoffs which is saying something.

It's crazy he hasn't had a stretch where he has put up some absurd numbers he is capable of, even the team should feast if teams will man to man him because it's not like it's just him and one other guy. You can't leave Nylander/Marner/Tavares entirely open either.

Again it's Toronto which is the softest/easiest market to play in because of how hard we simp for anybody with talent, so we're obviously the most forgiving fans in all of sports, so all we want is one cup and one amazing run, but that may be too much to ask from Matthews. Nobody in Toronto even cares he's bad this year because we're so forgiving but this guy has NEVER shown up.
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It really is amazing that the one thing he's supposed to be ahead of the pack at is the one thing that falls off a cliff come playoff time.

You look at his career averages for assists and it's literally a carbon copy. He averages 42 assists per 82 games in the regular season and averages 42 assists per 82 games in the playoffs. But his goal averages plummet (relatively speaking) tremendously in the playoffs, dropping from a 52 goals per 82 games average in the regular season to 32 goals per 82 games in the playoffs.

I know that a lot of players see drops in production, but we're usually talking like 10-ish points and maybe 10-ish goals. But Matthews goes from a 50 goal scorer to a 30 goal scorer once the playoffs begin. And considering that's what he's elite at (he's not exactly elite at setting up his linemates), that's why you see all these criticisms of him.

Having said that, this thread probably guarantees he scores a hattrick the next game. So I guess Leaf fans can look forward to an "I told you so" coming up. :laugh:
 
Colezuki said:
He doesn’t have a 6th gear and d spite his size doesn’t play nasty. Thats all there is to it, his 5th gear is better than most of the league, but when it gets tighter he doesn’t push through it.

Nylander is a better playoff performer then Matthews, and regardless of of the totals when the games tighten he still finds a way
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He doesn't even have a 4th gear come playoff time.

In the season he has 13 hat tricks and 80+ 2 goal games, meaning he averages one hat trick every 48 games and a 2 goal game once every 8 games.

In the playoffs he has 0 hat tricks in 65 games, and 2 yes you read that right 2 2 goal games. If he kept his season pace Matthews would have 8 2 goal games and at least a hat trick, basically the difference between elimination in all those game 7s.

One can excuse a bad/injured series here and there, but he has literally never gotten it done.
 
Yes

He’s lucky nylander has been as good as he has otherwise this would’ve been a sweep

We might’ve lost to Ottawa too without 88

complete joke of a player
 
Matthews doesn't seem too bothered, he's got his bag of $$$.

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People expect the most out of the best players and in the Stanley cup playoffs it's not different. I think if the leafs fall short again plenty of blame will go around and they'll have a discussion about mathews. However the problem is deeper than just mathews as we've seen in previous losses for them. I don't think you blow it up like trading him if this is what the point of this thread is. I think the overall roster is what gets people to the finish line than one or two players. Their issue could be too top heavy where they don't get enough in other places. Because in the playoffs those guys have to pick it up when the others don't score. It is a team effort. A reason why McDavid hasn't won yet. Look at the last bunch of Stanley cup winners. Players up and down the line up doing heavy lifting at different times. Mathews will need to make a mark at some point to prove some things but as far as overall team success it's deeper than just Mathews.
 
wgknestrick said:
Over the last 3 seasons:

Is 25pts in your last 26games really that bad?
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He's the best goal scorer in the League and has three goals in his last 20 playoff games or something. That's pitiful.

Yes, it's good that he contributes defensively and picks up some assists (although any talented player getting a lot of minutes and good PP time with very good offensive talent is bound to collect some secondary assists and easier primary assists - he's not exactly a masterful playmaker), but he needs to do what he does best and what got him paid more frequently in the playoffs.

If he steps up on Wednesday with a two goal game and the Leafs win, the talk he doesn't step up/can't get it done in the playoffs will die down and critics will be forced to eat crow. But he just never seems to step up like that.
 
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wgknestrick said:
Over the last 3 seasons:

Is 25pts in your last 26games really that bad?
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The points are OK.

It's the huge drop in goalscoring from regular season (0.64 goal per game career pace) to playoffs (0.38 goal per game career pace) that is more problematic.

It's even worse in the last three playoffs. (0.31 gpg).
 
Then, run him outta town Leaf fans, and extend Tavares for another 11mil/year. I'd love for him to become the next Eichel to drink your tears out of the cup he wins with another team.

The hyperbole here is exhausting bitching about a pt/game player who probably will have shoulder reconstruction surgery or something similar in the offseason. Dude is a legit stud of a player that just about any team would love to have as their 1C.
 
wgknestrick said:
Then, run him outta town Leaf fans, and extend Tavares for another 11mil/year. I'd love for him to become the next Eichel to drink your tears out of the cup he wins with another team.

The hyperbole here is exhausting bitching about a pt/game player who probably will have shoulder reconstruction surgery or something similar in the offseason. Dude is a legit stud of a player that just about any team would love to have as their 1C.
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I dont think its the leaf fans that are saying he's bad. The entire thread is premised on hyperbole, you know this, you read the thread title.
End of the day for what he's bringing to the table in the playoffs and what he's getting paid its pretty damn shameful.
 
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