Is match fixing happening in the NHL?

[Golden_Jet]

Exactly.

Refs are influencing games.

It's only a question of whether you think that's incompetency or because they have gambling side deals.

Well definitely not because of gambling, it’s so closely watched now, and security firms have lots of S/W running to detect it, and dedicated staff to look for it.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Obviously I don't have hard evidence in a thorough investigation. Is that what you want? me to provide hard evidence of referees colluding with the mafia?

In other words, it's a show about nothing...

 

[DaveG]

The problem is that they'd have to let too many people in on it. That's what went wrong when they staged the moon landing.

Come on, you guys.

No no the issue with the moon landing is that they brought in Kubrick and method actors. It was the perfect scheme but those guys are such perfectionists they insisted on shooting on location.

 

[tarheelhockey]

It’s funny you think a ref would be talked into match fixing for a measly 20k, and lose his career over it, when an NHL ref makes 165-400k a year.

$20K is still a lot of money for someone who makes $400K. For one thing, if we assume they’re taking home more like $300K after taxes, that’s close to 7% of their annual. It’s equivalent to about $3500 for someone who makes $50K a year. And some really bad decisions have been made for a lot less money than that.

More to the point, even people with a six-figure job are still only one bad gamble away from needing $20K right now to keep their lives from falling apart. Or being on the wrong side of the kind of people who take bets from professional refs. If you’re a person of questionable ethics running a gambling establishment, and a ref comes into that establishment and busts hard to the tune of five figures, you’ve now got a very lucrative situation staring you in the face.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

Saying yes is laughable at best, and you’re probably a flat earther as well.

Unless you think goalies are on the take,

i found the triple jabbed

 

[TheBeard]

I don't except for circumstances where the league needs major exposure. Post covid and after the 2012 strike comes to mind.

 

[1specter]

Nah. I think the reffing is broken, but that doesn't mean games are fixed.

i found the triple jabbed

Gotta leave it to Americans to somehow always bring up republican vs democrat and the COVID jab in discussions that have nothing to do with that stuff.

 

[Golden_Jet]

i found the triple jabbed

I found the flat earther

 

[geebster]

As others have said there's no way there's match fixing. Also individual players other than goalies can't reliably fix games in hockey.

What there definitely is are dog**** refs. Multiple of them have biases that affect calls and most of them subscribe to game management more than doing their jobs. Game management isn't in the rulebook but they refuse to call things by the rulebook in service to game management nonetheless.

I see that more as a toxic mindset among refs moreso than a concerted effort to fix games though

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

No it's not match fixing in the traditional sense. But refs definitely are managing games. Determining what's a penalty in part by what the score is and how much time is left in the game. That's match fixing, in a way. Or at least trying to points shave.

 

[dabeechman]

Are pre-determined outcomes being orchestrated? No, I don't think so. Have officials interjected themselves and influenced the outcome of hockey games? Yes.

 

[Golden_Jet]

By looks of thread, seems most are voting what they call game management as match fixing.

Should of had another poll option, for game management, make up call, let them play
as match fixing is money changing hands to me.

 

[Midnight Judges]

A significant portion of hockey games are determined based on puck being tipped off a guy's skate boot while going 90 miles through a gaggle of players - or some other highly unpredictable event.

It takes a special kind of stupid to think that is "predetermined."

That said, some refs may have biases (all humans do) that should be more under control. Some refs almost certainly engage in stupid things like make-up calls and "letting them play" on certain nights/certain situations - which is really no different than changing the rules on the spot. As dumb as that is, it's surprisingly widely accepted in hockey culture.

 

[Machinehead]

Most of the betting nowadays isn't based on who wins. It has a lot to do with individual milestones.

How would you even go about fixing that? How do ensure one particular guy scores?

Something like that lends itself a lot better to basketball where there is more of an individual stats spread, but even then, all you can really do is send a guy to the line for points. You can't ensure he gets assists or rebounds.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

Nah. I think the reffing is broken, but that doesn't mean games are fixed.


Gotta leave it to Americans to somehow always bring up republican vs democrat and the COVID jab in discussions that have nothing to do with that stuff.

Nope i am not American, try again. And discussing about "MATCH FIXING" actually leaves the realm of sport and indeed does enter the world of politics. But thank you for thinking that calling people "American" is like some kind of an insult. I agree with you

I found the flat earther

Nope. It's more to state the ridiculousness of your answer. To suggest that sports being fixed is akin to thinking the world is flat highly suggests that your definition of "conspiracy" is derived from mainstream media. Also, there are conspiracies occurring every day all over the world. A conspiracy only suggests that two entities are involved in matters that would cause harm to the populace in secret. So I would suggest you to read a few books out there, if you want some references let me know, but seriously unplug FOX CNN or I guess in your case CTV. Your calcified pineal gland is showing and matches your Pfizer stare perfectly!

 

[Golden_Jet]

Nope i am not American, try again. And discussing about "MATCH FIXING" actually leaves the realm of sport and indeed does enter the world of politics. But thank you for thinking that calling people "American" is like some kind of an insult. I agree with you



Nope. It's more to state the ridiculousness of your answer. To suggest that sports being fixed is akin to thinking the world is flat highly suggests that your definition of "conspiracy" is derived from mainstream media. Also, there are conspiracies occurring every day all over the world. A conspiracy only suggests that two entities are involved in matters that would cause harm to the populace in secret. So I would suggest you to read a few books out there, if you want some references let me know, but seriously unplug FOX CNN or I guess in your case CTV. Your calcified pineal gland is showing and matches your Pfizer stare perfectly!

I’m not getting sucked into you're political conspiracies since not allowed, (even though you’ve tried twice now),
but it’s obvious who you like

 

[DaveG]

By looks of thread, seems most are voting what they call game management as match fixing.

Should of had another poll option, for game management, make up call, let them play
as match fixing is money changing hands to me.

One of the weird things with game management though is that it appears that comes from the league itself. Maybe not to the point of blatantly changing the outcome of games as was the case in the Donaghy case with the NBA because hockey is just different and sometimes a goalie is going to go full brick wall and no officiating is going to do a damn thing about that. But the league office believes it's in the best interest of the league to have as many games as possible be competitive which is why the call disparity in a game in the past few years in a rebuilding team vs say Carolina or Florida can be something ridiculous once the game gets to 2-0 or 3-0. The league itself wants the illusion of parity. IMO it's also the reason they haven't moved to a 3-2-1 points system.

 

[tarheelhockey]

But refs definitely are managing games. Determining what's a penalty in part by what the score is and how much time is left in the game. That's match fixing, in a way. Or at least trying to points shave.

That’s an interesting point. What’s the practical difference between “I’m just trying to keep the game close” and “I’m shaving points to keep the game within the spread”?

 

[DaveG]

Most of the betting nowadays isn't based on who wins. It has a lot to do with individual milestones.

How would you even go about fixing that? How do ensure one particular guy scores?

Something like that lends itself a lot better to basketball where there is more of an individual stats spread, but even then, all you can really do is send a guy to the line for points. You can't ensure he gets assists or rebounds.

Very true. The companies that run these gambling apps/sportsbooks also don't want people JUST betting on what team is going to win or even vs the spread, that's not where they make their real money. They'd rather see you bet on some crazy 6 team parlay or multiple items within the same game like "CFC win on a 3.5 goal over under with Patrick Agyemang scoring coming off the bench" for much higher payout odds but much much less likely to actually hit. Like no shit the payout on that for a $100 bet on that is going to pay out 5 grand, THAT'S WHY THEY WANT YOU PLACING THAT BET, THE ODDS OF IT HAPPENING ARE PRACTICALLY NON EXISTENT.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Nope. It's more to state the ridiculousness of your answer. To suggest that sports being fixed is akin to thinking the world is flat highly suggests that your definition of "conspiracy" is derived from mainstream media. Also, there are conspiracies occurring every day all over the world. A conspiracy only suggests that two entities are involved in matters that would cause harm to the populace in secret. So I would suggest you to read a few books out there, if you want some references let me know, but seriously unplug FOX CNN or I guess in your case CTV. Your calcified pineal gland is showing and matches your Pfizer stare perfectly!

Whew. This is something else.

 

[Seras]

Required pre-req's for NHL to throw game's

1. NHL referee's and linesmen that are flawless at their jobs to the point that the general public cannot tell that they are throwing games.
2. Doesn't matter, did not meet pre-req #1

 

[Golden_Jet]

IMO it's also the reason they haven't moved to a 3-2-1 points system.

I would like a 2 1.5 0.5 system

 

[ZJuice]

Anything is possible.
To outright believe that there is no fixing or that there is fixing.. This is insane to me; unless you are Gary Betman and have been injected with truth serum.

I am agnostic if you couldn't tell

 

[KingPuckChoo]

Anything is possible.
To outright believe that there is no fixing or that there is fixing.. This is insane to me; unless you are Gary Betman and have been injected with truth serum.

I am agnostic if you couldn't tell

Oh boy! You must believe the earth is flat, loch ness monsters, and sasquatch!!

 

[ZJuice]

Oh boy! You must believe the earth is flat, loch ness monsters, and sasquatch!!

I believe in the Samquanch

I do not understand how you came to your conclusions about my beliefs though