Is match fixing happening in the NHL?

[My3Sons]

The poll as written may have been overly simplistic. Clearly few think the league literally scripts an outcome but there is a consensus belief expressed in the comments here that game management is itself a form of influencing the outcome. I don’t think the poll accurately reflects that.

 

[Ratbath]

The game management from the refs makes the players look like morons. Like how often does a team go up two goals and then commit a penalty in the following two minutes? You would expect the desperate team pressing from behind to commit more penalties but somehow they never seem to do that. It’s a trash way to enforce parity

 

[Perfect_Drug]

The game management from the refs makes the players look like morons. Like how often does a team go up two goals and then commit a penalty in the following two minutes? You would expect the desperate team pressing from behind to commit more penalties but somehow they never seem to do that. It’s a trash way to enforce parity

And that does not answer the question: Why do you follow this sport if you think it's rigged ?

Hypothetically speaking:

If the mafia paid a ref $20,000 to keep the goal spread over 2, do you think it would be possible?
What about if the mafia paid a ref $20,000 to keep the goal spread at 1?

I mean they have all the tools in their arsenal to keep it close. They also have all the tools in their arsenal to make it a blowout.


We ALL know the refs are managing games. It's not even in question they are managing them.


So why would you think nobody is profiting off of it?

 

[Golden_Jet]

Hypothetically speaking:

If the mafia paid a ref $20,000 to keep the goal spread over 2, do you think it would be possible?
What about if the mafia paid a ref $20,000 to keep the goal spread at 1?

No
Not enough money, and still wouldn’t be a guarantee for Mafia, in your hypothetical.

 

[Johnny Rifle]

Tim Donagy wasn’t all that long ago.

I fall somewhere in the middle, there is clearly a bias to “even things up” when it comes to penalty calling, whether it is conscious or unconscious bias I don’t know.

With all the prop bets being promoted by the NHL, hopefully the refs will be under greater scrutiny to call it by the book.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

No
Not enough money, and still wouldn’t be a guarantee for Mafia, in your hypothetical.

Tim Donaghy only had 88% success rate in the NBA for covering point spreads (likely why he was caught).

All they really need is to have favorable odds like a 60% success rate of predicting if its a 1 goal game or 2+ goal game, with a ref in their pocket.

Do you honestly think that is not feasible?


You know that Casino odds for the house in blackjack is 57.88% they win right?
That's all they need. Odds to be put in their favour.
On a long enough timeline with enough bets, they win.

Infact, with the classic "Card Counter" only gains a 2.5% higher chance of winning than the house.



So with just basic math, do you honestly think its impossible that "make-up calls", "phantom calls" and "letting them play" are basically tools to tamper with betting odds.

 

[DamonDRW]

Don't forget to make fun of those who say yes. Officials/government/corps never fool you.

 

[Sol]

Definitely the NHL will move to fixed results. Big industries like this don’t leave things to chance at a point so they can have accurate business projections.

I’m sure most of the NHL is random and some games are suspicious. Don’t know if it’s the ref or the league, but the refs don’t get fired so it makes you wonder.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Tim Donaghy only had 88% success rate in the NBA for covering point spreads (likely why he was caught).

Not hockey

All they really need is to have favorable odds like a 60% success rate of predicting if its a 1 goal game or 2+ goal game, with a ref in their pocket.

Do you honestly think that is not feasible?

Already answered No.

What if I told you, bets can be placed in the 2nd intermission?

You just figured that out now.

 

[Zine]

No
Not enough money, and still wouldn’t be a guarantee for Mafia, in your hypothetical.

Betting isn't limited to the spread.

People can bet on any aspect of the game, which referees can easily control.
Number of penalties called per period is a good example.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Betting isn't limited to the spread.

People can bet on any aspect of the game, which referees can easily control.
Number of penalties called per period is a good example.

Thanks tips,
wow never would of figured that out from the current broadcasts during a game.

You should start a thread and inform all the other posters, I’m sure they’d like to be that informed that betting isn’t restricted to one thing.

I was commenting on the mafia wasting there time on 20k, with no guarantees.

 

[Zine]

Thanks tips

No problem, son.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

Thanks tips,
I was commenting on the mafia wasting there time on 20k, with no guarantees.

What exactly do you think a casino is?


A casino is just a collection of Games where the odds are in their favor with no guarantees.
$20k is easier to launder than $2million.

 

[Conbon]

I wouldn't say it's match fixing as much as there's a mandate on the refs to try to keep games close or give teams a chance to make a come back. Watching the playoffs it was like clockwork when a team went up by 2 or more they'd start getting nailed with soft calls.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Match fixing, no. But we know that game management really happens, and that’s where you really have to ask questions about the officials’ ability to control the spread or ensure that prop bets hit.

Theoretically a goalie could also help with the spread, but that seems wildly risky for guys with millions on the line. Refs don’t get paid nearly as much and are the obvious targets for corruption.

 

[FlameChampion]

It probably isn’t but I don’t think the NHL has really done themselves any favours. I don’t think a lot of people trust the system. Between game management and the focus on gambling/business, they have allowed doubt to creep in whether it’s real or not.

 

[Golden_Jet]

What exactly do you think a casino is?


A casino is just a collection of Games where the odds are in their favor with no guarantees.
$20k is easier to launder than $2million.

It’s funny you think a ref would be talked into match fixing for a measly 20k, and lose his career over it, when an NHL ref makes 165-400k a year.

 

[Oleksiak]

We have documented proof with the Campbell emails, and refs such as Sutherland don't even attempt to hide the fact that they're not calling an honest game.

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

No match fixing, but there are some biases by individuals that tilt the ice slightly...always has been and always will be.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

It’s funny you think a ref would be talked into match fixing for a measly 20k, and lose his career over it, when an NHL ref makes 165-400k a year.

Is it funny that I based my guestimate on a precedence that actually exists?

 

[Golden_Jet]

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Is it funny that I based my guestimate on a precedence that actually exists?

Ya you and others have showed NBA has a bad rep, yet still to show the NHL had/ has a bad rep of taking bribes.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

Ya you and others have showed NBA has a bad rep, yet still to show the NHL had/ has a bad rep of taking bribes.

Obviously I don't have hard evidence in a thorough investigation. Is that what you want? me to provide hard evidence of referees colluding with the mafia?

But I'm able to draw parallels, especially with how openly admittedly the refs manage games (as caught on hot mic) to see it is a VERY high probability.




Like we literally only got evidence of game management with the tim cook crap, but we knew it was going on for decades. Would you say game management only began the second tim Cook was caught on mic or can we infer that we all knew it happened long before?

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

NHL referees: "We resent the idea that we fix games or intentionally determine outcomes. How dare you! We're just incompetent buffoons who suck at our jobs."

 

[pi314]

NHL referees: "We resent the idea that we fix games or intentionally determine outcomes. How dare you! We're just incompetent buffoons who suck at our jobs."

Exactly.

Refs are influencing games.

It's only a question of whether you think that's incompetency or because they have gambling side deals.

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

Yes, certainly. It's always somebody else's fault.
It's a conspiracy involving Santa, the Easter Bunny, the Banana Splits, Gary Bettman, Aliens, Count Chocula, the Duck Hunt Dog and Howard Scott Warshaw.