Is Mark Schief underrated?

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Good year, not sure he is underrated. One or two hot seasons doesn't make a player a top guy in the league/Country.

Good example would be Zibanejad, during his hot spells people were thinking and posting like he was the second coming of Christ. But he isn't a top guy in the league/Country either.
People are not talking about Schief as if he is the second coming, but, I think it would be fair to say he is one of the top 10 centres for this season. Mackinnon, Mcdavid, Draisatl, Barkov are all probably going to have better seasons then him. Judging on the one year sample, what other centres are definitely ahead of him?
Hughes? Miller?

Is Jason Robertson one of the top wingers in the league because of his great 3 year stretch?

Is Werenski one of the top D in the league because of his outstanding season?
 
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I think he’s fairly rated. Good 1C

Having a great season but was sub ppg and poor defensively the 2 seasons prior, which is barely a 1C in my books.
 
Destined to end up in the hall of very good. He didn't make the league on pure skill. His improvement from 2012 - 2018 was remarkable. He couldn't stay on his feet his first two years. Very hard worker.
 
I don’t think he’s so much underrated as it is that he got too much blame when things stagnated in Winnipeg there for a bit. He’s having a great season. No issues with somebody having him as a top 10 center this year.

Ultimately he and Connor and Helle are gonna be judged on how they do this post-season, fair or not. If they go on a run, it’ll cement their places in NHL royalty. If they flame out early, 100+ points or another Vezina are not gonna save them from being questioned.
 
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more consistency is needed, anyone can have a good year.

Not sure i'd say he's underrated, not yet anyway, two more years of being near the top of the stats board and i'd agree.
What do you look for?

Over the last 5 seasons he is 10th among C in goals scored. 13th in points.

Seems to me he should rank in the 15 to 20 range among C's.
 
People are not talking about Schief as if he is the second coming, but, I think it would be fair to say he is one of the top 10 centres for this season. Mackinnon, Mcdavid, Draisatl, Barkov are all probably going to have better seasons then him. Judging on the one year sample, what other centres are definitely ahead of him?
Hughes? Miller?

Is Jason Robertson one of the top wingers in the league because of his great 3 year stretch?

Is Werenski one of the top D in the league because of his outstanding season?

Hughes and Eichel are having better seasons, as is Point. Schiefele has always been a talented offensive player, and he's having his breakout season at 31 if he keeps it up. I don't think he's under rated at all though, nor do I think he is perennially a top 10 center.
 
Hughes and Eichel are having better seasons, as is Point. Schiefele has always been a talented offensive player, and he's having his breakout season at 31 if he keeps it up. I don't think he's under rated at all though, nor do I think he is perennially a top 10 center.
How is Hughes having a better season ahead by 2 points, but, a lot fewer goals.
Also not talking perennial talking bout this season.
 
How is Hughes having a better season ahead by 2 points, but, a lot fewer goals.

I don't think it's significantly better, but he's got a better PPG, and his shooting percentage is a far more sustainable one to carry on throughout the season compared to Scheifele shooting 6% above his career average. Hughes always seems to get hurt though, so there's a good chance Mark ends up having the better season in the end, he's more durable.
 
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I don't think it's significantly better, but he's got a better PPG, and his shooting percentage is a far more sustainable one to carry on throughout the season compared to Scheifele shooting 6% above his career average. Hughes always seems to get hurt though, so there's a good chance Mark ends up having the better season in the end, he's more durable.
Fair. Also schief as you say isn’t a perennial player till he does it in the regular season.
I place a higher value on goals than assists. You don’t which is fair.
 
@Adam da bomb Where do you think he should be rated if rated "fairly"?

TL;RD - my guess is he's probably ranked fairly accurately as an about average #1C who's a reliable offensive contributor with less reliable overall game.

Now for the novel...

I mean he's been solid offensive contributor all through his career with some dips in overall play when Winnipeg seemed not a happy place. There's a bunch #1C whose production is in a completely different tier, obviously he's not gonna touch those guys, then there are a bunch of centers who produce roughly in the same ballpark, but some of those are way better all around players, like while I'm sure someone somewhere will be like Scheif >>>>> Barkov AINEC, I'm also sure there's not that many of those guys :D

Would you really rate him above Point, Aho, Miller, Crosby? All those guys have more points than him the last 5 seasons and all also have pretty balanced G+A totals, like Point and Aho actually have clearly more goals than him. Stamkos is also above him in points and goals for that stretch, but at this point I think we can say Scheif is better overall than him. But that still leaves guys like Eichel, Pettersson, Kopitar, J. Hughes and a bunch of others who might have less points than Scheif last 5 seasons but have good cases to be above him in ranking.

For me, that puts the top10 pretty much out his reach and he's left to battle it out with a bunch of other guys for (very) roughly top10-20. Isn't that where most people would rank him? Never know with people, but my guess is a consensus ranking would put him somewhere around top15, give or take a couple spots, which seems like "fair enough". Whether that means 12th best of 17th best, is it really a big difference? Heck, he might even fall outside top20 depending how much people value all situations play etc. and while I personally wouldn't probably agree with that, I also don't know even every #1C in the league all that well. I might be really sleeping on guys like Larkin, Thomas etc. and there's also Hintz, Suzuki etc. etc. Anyway, I think it's better to look at it as "tiers" and position within that tier being largely a matter of personal preference and bias.

Right now, he's having a great year but he's still being outproduced by his linemate and is shooting at 26%, which actually is not as ridiculously high as it sounds - his career average is over 17 and he's been above 20% before and anyone who has watched him play knows he's a great finisher who also scores most of his goals from very dangerous areas, so you expect him to have a high S% - just maybe not quite 26% high.

If he keeps this up until the end, it might be he has a good case for being a top5 center *this season*. Which would be great for him and the Jets, but he's 31, he's in the twilight years of his prime, not the beginning of it. It's just the team seems better than it has been in years, maybe ever during his career and he's having a great year. If he keeps playing like this, maybe he becomes a consensus top10 C again.
 
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Scheifele got suspended for 4 PLAYOFF games for a first offender , way more than most players are getting for way worse and repeat offenders . He paid for his mistake, people need to let it go already, jesus . Scheifele is very important and a big part of the Jets success at being one of the best teams in the NHL all season. He's a very underrated hockey player.
 
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@Adam da bomb Where do you think he should be rated if rated "fairly"?

TL;RD - my guess is he's probably ranked fairly accurately as an about average #1C who's a reliable offensive contributor with less reliable overall game.

Now for the novel...

I mean he's been solid offensive contributor all through his career with some dips in overall play when Winnipeg seemed not a happy place. There's a bunch #1C whose production is in a completely different tier, obviously he's not gonna touch those guys, then there are a bunch of centers who produce roughly in the same ballpark, but some of those are way better all around players, like while I'm sure someone somewhere will be like Scheif >>>>> Barkov AINEC, I'm also sure there's not that many of those guys :D

Would you really rate him above Point, Aho, Miller, Crosby? All those guys have more points than him the last 5 seasons and all also have pretty balanced G+A totals, like Point and Aho actually have clearly more goals than him. Stamkos is also above him in points and goals for that stretch, but at this point I think we can say Scheif is better overall than him. But that still leaves guys like Eichel, Pettersson, Kopitar, J. Hughes and a bunch of others who might have less points than Scheif last 5 seasons but have good cases to be above him in ranking.

For me, that puts the top10 pretty much out his reach and he's left to battle it out with a bunch of other guys for (very) roughly top10-20. Isn't that where most people would rank him? Never know with people, but my guess is a consensus ranking would put him somewhere around top15, give or take a couple spots, which seems like "fair enough". Whether that means 12th best of 17th best, is it really a big difference? Heck, he might even fall outside top20 depending how much people value all situations play etc. and while I personally wouldn't probably agree with that, I also don't know even every #1C in the league all that well. I might be really sleeping on guys like Larkin, Thomas etc. and there's also Hintz, Suzuki etc. etc. Anyway, I think it's better to look at it as "tiers" and position within that tier being largely a matter of personal preference and bias.

Right now, he's having a great year but he's still being outproduced by his linemate and is shooting at 26%, which actually is not as ridiculously high as it sounds - his career average is over 17 and he's been above 20% before and anyone who has watched him play knows he's a great finisher who also scores most of his goals from very dangerous areas, so you expect him to have a high S% - just maybe not quite 26% high.

If he keeps this up until the end, it might be he has a good case for being a top5 center *this season*. Which would be great for him and the Jets, but he's 31, he's in the twilight years of his prime, not the beginning of it. It's just the team seems better than it has been in years, maybe ever during his career and he's having a great year. If he keeps playing like this, maybe he becomes a consensus top10 C again.
Thanks for the novel ;) but seriously, appreciate how much time you put into your incredibly thorough answer.
How does it affect things if Miller turns out to be a locker room cancer that’s why Vancouver has imploded.
I rate his current season higher than a lot of those guys because goals.
Peterson’s current season has dropped him out of top 10 till he can prove otherwise.
The teammate argument is often dismissed around here for mcdrai so weird if his linemate having more pts than him suddenly matters.

His lack of playoff success could be a deterrent, but, same with many of above.
 
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I’m interested to see his defensive metrics post Blake Wheeler. He’s not Barkov out there but he’s noticeably less lazy since Wheeler was catapulted out of town.
 
Schieflie is not under rated in this house . Followed this guy when he was ripping up the O playing for the Barrie Colts. Became a legit NHL star 2018 play offs. Lead Jets to third round. Would have made the stanley finals if Hellebuyck didn't suck ass against the Knights.
I would have picked him for TC.
But I can't argue with the 13 forwards they did pick either.
 
Schief's line seems to have improved their defensive numbers, but, that could be a byproduct of playing with the best goalie.
Kyle Connor is also playing a more defensive game and Vilardi wins lots of puck battles but Scheif seems more content now perhaps it is the long term deal?
 

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