Is Lily about to become better than Reilly?
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Mitch nylander
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Let's pump the brakes a bit. Love Lilly, but Rielly was 4th in Norris Voting in a 72 point season. He just came off 68.
Anthrax442
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Remember when the year when Sandin was drafted, every trade proposal included Lily. I remember. You people better be eating your crow now.
Aashir
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We said this about Sandin too, albeit on the powerplay
Liljegren needs to prove her can play 20+ minutes consistently against good teams
Rielly is looking bad right now, but he’s easily our best overall defencemen still
Liljegren needs to prove her can play 20+ minutes consistently against good teams
Rielly is looking bad right now, but he’s easily our best overall defencemen still
Rielly’s decision making has been abysmal and his weaknesses haven’t improved over the years. It’s really not tough to predict Liljegren will surpass him with his development curve.
CantLoseWithMatthews
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I doubt he'll ever be a 70 point guy, but I also wouldn't be surprised if Liljegren's edge in defensive ability is wider than Rielly's edge in offense
Not once have i ever been a fan of Rielly being the #1D.
How can it be that you cant even trust him to take on other teams best players in any capacity?
Keefe had to put together a Brodie - Holl pairing because Rielly gets caved the f*** in against top competition..
How can it be that you cant even trust him to take on other teams best players in any capacity?
Keefe had to put together a Brodie - Holl pairing because Rielly gets caved the f*** in against top competition..
StevenB
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Could he? Of course. Let’s not forget this is a guy who was once the top of his draft class and got derailed because of mono, losing precious development time in the process. His offensive tools have always been there and he has seriously refined his defensive game. Liljegren has no glaring holes in his game aside from the occasional brain gaff (like that turnover that led to a GA) which I’m sure will become less often as he acclimated to the NHL.
He has #1 potential for sure and imo a higher ceiling and floor than Sandin. Whether he reaches it or not is still a very big question mark but his development has been stellar and he’s really shining this year. I think his floor is a low end #4 but realistic expectations is a high end #3 who can slot on to the first pairing comfortably with a more capable partner if needed as long as he doesn’t stagnate in his development
He has #1 potential for sure and imo a higher ceiling and floor than Sandin. Whether he reaches it or not is still a very big question mark but his development has been stellar and he’s really shining this year. I think his floor is a low end #4 but realistic expectations is a high end #3 who can slot on to the first pairing comfortably with a more capable partner if needed as long as he doesn’t stagnate in his development
Rielly can definitely put up points, but he's always been suspect defensively. Lets hope Liljegren can be better on the defensive side of things even if it means he puts up less points. It would be nice to have a young Dman that could eventually play 20+ mins a night that you could trust to play good defense night in and night out and not make too many mistakes. I always hoped Rielly could be that guy, but its clear that he isn't. Lets hope Liljegren can be.
Lily has never had the chance to spread his wings. Next year, book it.
I love Mo, in a good way but his defense has stagnated.
Stephen
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Rielly isn't a very high bar. He piles on the points but this masks the fact that his defensive play is generally not very good. He's not a calming presence, reads the play poorly, positionally weak, physical game is unremarkable. Offensively, he's also better on paper than on the ice. He's not a great PPQB, not a great puck mover in transition, has no shot. His greatest strength seems to be tunnel vision rushing and handing off the puck to the Big 4.
As far as Liljegren is concerned, let's just let him play.
As far as Liljegren is concerned, let's just let him play.
CabanaBoy5
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I think Lily has better defensive upside and is already better defensively. Rielly has displayed awful instincts when it comes to joining the rush. He's supposed to be better offensively but I don't think he's very good on the PP. I think Lily will develop into a better #1-2 defenceman than Rielly, and it's going to happen pretty soon.
TheMadHatTrick
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I've been as big a critic of Rielly's shortcomings over the years as anyone, but let's relax a bit.
It's good to see Lilly playing well though, and I believe he's only going to get better and better.
It's good to see Lilly playing well though, and I believe he's only going to get better and better.
Rielly has become criminally underrated. He’s way better with the puck than Liljegren and he’s a better skater.
Reilly has a lot of defensive lapses. He can still set guys up nicely but often seems hesitant to just shoot the puck on the PP.
Lilly has really progressed and may soon turn into our best two way guy.
Still has a ways to go before he unseats MO, though.
Lilly has really progressed and may soon turn into our best two way guy.
Still has a ways to go before he unseats MO, though.
PromisedLand
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Lily was drafted as an offensive defenseman; he has the offensive accumen and more importantly a point/slapshot.
IMO Rielly's development was screwed under Carlyle/Phaneuf. Babcock tried to improve Rielly's game but then there were so many changes with goalies and what not due to dubas-babcock power struggle IMO the team really struggled and development of some of the players also struggled due to that bullshit by dubas-babcock.
Good part of that was Lily was not part of that bullcrap so his mentality is very different in terms of approach to the game. You could see that he didn't even care that he scored 2 goals when he did his interview in the 2nd intermission and was focused about his defensive game not being there tonight.
Lily's offensive game, first touch out of the d-zone and shot IMO is already a lot better than Sandin. Lily's defensive IQ is not even comparable to Sandin because Lily is better positionally than Sandin pretty much all the time.
Lily should already be on PP1 IMO with the point shot he has but of course Keefe is gonna play favourites with Sandin/Rielly on the PP so.....
IMO Rielly's development was screwed under Carlyle/Phaneuf. Babcock tried to improve Rielly's game but then there were so many changes with goalies and what not due to dubas-babcock power struggle IMO the team really struggled and development of some of the players also struggled due to that bullshit by dubas-babcock.
Good part of that was Lily was not part of that bullcrap so his mentality is very different in terms of approach to the game. You could see that he didn't even care that he scored 2 goals when he did his interview in the 2nd intermission and was focused about his defensive game not being there tonight.
Lily's offensive game, first touch out of the d-zone and shot IMO is already a lot better than Sandin. Lily's defensive IQ is not even comparable to Sandin because Lily is better positionally than Sandin pretty much all the time.
Lily should already be on PP1 IMO with the point shot he has but of course Keefe is gonna play favourites with Sandin/Rielly on the PP so.....
PromisedLand
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I think that was more to insulate Holl than to insulate Rielly. Holl has been attrotious. If I had to bet I would say both Dubas and Keefe trying to justify their decision. Everytime Holl is on ice I get chest pains. Not only was Holl a disaster in the playoffs just look at his stats. They don't look as bad as they did due to Brodie
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SeaOfBlue
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If he does, it means we have a pair of number one defensemen so I'd be good with that.
Best overall? Mo will never get better defensively now.
Lily Brodie
Mo. Gio
Sandin (Somebody)
Holl( damage control) 7th dman.
