Is king Karl defying makars premature generational label?

[MAB1]

Cale Makar in the next couple of days is going to be the fastest defensman ever to 200 points in the history of hockey unless he fails to get those two points in the next 15 games. If he does it’s a remarkable accomplishment and makes him as generational as anything Karlsson has ever done.

Difference is Makar got there with Mackinnon, Rantanen and co. Karlsson did it with what? A couple years of Mark Stone, Bobby Ryan and co?

Imagine what Sens Karlsson would've done on a powerplay featuring Mackinnon, Rantanen, Kadri and Landy...

 

[rangersfansince08]

Difference is Makar got there with Mackinnon, Rantanen and co. Karlsson did it with what? A couple years of Mark Stone, Bobby Ryan and co?

Imagine what Sens Karlsson would've done on a powerplay featuring Mackinnon, Rantanen, Kadri and Landy...

Does this really impact production?

 

[Foppberg]

I wouldn't call Makar generational. That title is reserved for the proven goats of hockey.

I dunno … what he’s done so far is insane. I’d have him as a generational guy. Close anyways.

 

[Voight]

Karlsson never had a year like Makar did last season.

Difference is Makar got there with Mackinnon, Rantanen and co. Karlsson did it with what? A couple years of Mark Stone, Bobby Ryan and co?

Imagine what Sens Karlsson would've done on a powerplay featuring Mackinnon, Rantanen, Kadri and Landy...

Karlsson was able to rack up points due to lack of talent. A lot more mouths to feed in Colorado.

 

[Machinehead]

No. Makar is our thing. Go make a thread about Doughty.

 

[ThankGord]

You could say they're from different generations tbh. Erik Karlsson returning to form is awesome and doesn't have a negative affect on what Makar has accomplished.

 

[Buck Naked]

Karlsson was able to rack up points due to lack of talent. A lot more mouths to feed in Colorado.

Since when is that proven to be a thing?

By your logic players on the best teams shouldn't be competing for the Art Ross since it's reserved for the less talented teams with only one or two great players. Stacked teams score a lot more than lesser teams, I'm sure it balances out in the end.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Makar is awesome. Karlsson has had a great career and it’s nice to see him healthy.

 

[tfwnogf]

Karlsson never had a year like Makar did last season.



Karlsson was able to rack up points due to lack of talent. A lot more mouths to feed in Colorado.

Opposite of reality: the post. Playing with talent vs playing with scrubs gee I wonder what would benefit a player more...and Karlsson had similar numbers to Makar in some of the lowest scoring environments we've seen. At his peak Karlsson was top 5 scorer in the entire NHL, Makar was 20th last season. Not even close to the same level.

 

[Muffin]

Seem to remember the same stuff after the playoffs this past summer. Many people yelled "small sample size!!!", Colorado fans yelled "Best since ORR!"

Lmao small sample size. He literally came in the league and won the Calder with 50 points in 57 games. Second year he finished 2nd in Norris votings and was points per game. Third year he won the Norris and Conn Smythe. This season he's on paced for over 100 points and is about to break the record for fastest defenseman ever to score 200 points. Is 4 seasons a small sample size?

 

[Signupnow]

I never claimed Karlsson is a generational talent. This thread is to point out to those who were quick to talk about Makar as some generational talent we havent seen before since Orr basically. (which there are many claims on if you use the search button) Erik karlsson now that he is somewhat healthy although all his injuries surgiries can still be on the same level at the age he is as Makar is in his (Prime?) time will tell. Which should end the discussion about the whole generational label.

People seem to forget that goaliepads have been shrinking since last time Erik karlsson was healthy and that scoring is way up due to that and the fact that makar joined a team in a perfect storm that was right about to break out with elite talents everywhere around him.

Makar is Awesome but Karlsson is showing he is nothing more than we have seen in recent years.

 

[AfroThunder396]

Erik Karlsson pretty much eclipsed Scott Niedermayer's individual career accomplishments by the time he was 25.

Then Makar came in and did things at ages 20-22 that Erik Karlsson was never able to accomplish.

They can both be generational.

 

[Rengorlex]

I never claimed Karlsson is a generational talent. This thread is to point out to those who were quick to talk about Makar as some generational talent we havent seen before since Orr basically. (which there are many claims on if you use the search button) Erik karlsson now that he is somewhat healthy although all his injuries surgiries can still be on the same level at the age he is as Makar is in his (Prime?) time will tell. Which should end the discussion about the whole generational label.

People seem to forget that goaliepads have been shrinking since last time Erik karlsson was healthy and that scoring is way up due to that and the fact that makar joined a team in a perfect storm that was right about to break out with elite talents everywhere around him.

Makar is Awesome but Karlsson is showing he is nothing more than we have seen in recent years.

Makar is way better than Karlsson now and point totals over 15 games mean next to nothing.

 

[avsfan9]

Paul Coffey really wasn’t a great defensman, it’s only because he played with Gretzky and co. Am I doing this correctly? People gotta watch some videos, the only significant video I can find of Karlsson is a flip pass he did back in 2007!

 

[Signupnow]

Makar is way better than Karlsson now and point totals over 15 games mean next to nothing.

I havent said he was. Karlsson is better right now . He is 32 years old and have had his foot destroyed, hes knees destroyed his achillies cut in half and yet he is still matching Makars performance or even surpassing atm.

Karlsson in his prime is better than makar has ever shown thus far.

Talk about track record and sample size? Karlsson was during almost 10 years the BAR for everyone else to measure themselves with. The question was (who might win over Karlssson this year) Who has the career year? Karlssson was the measurement of success.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Seem to remember the same stuff after the playoffs this past summer. Many people yelled "small sample size!!!", Colorado fans yelled "Best since ORR!"

You know he's about to become the first Dman ever in league history to put up 200 points in his first 200 games right?


That ain't no 15 game sample size guy.

 

[McJedi]

Karlsson contract remains the most negative value in hockey. A short burst of good play doesn’t cover that. Long term. That contract is a disaster for San Jose.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

I wouldn't call Makar generational. That title is reserved for the proven goats of hockey.

I wish they'd ban the term generational from the site, everyone knows there's one guy now it's McDavid, no one else, and we'll know without saying when the next one comes along.

 

[MCR74]

Seem to remember the same stuff after the playoffs this past summer. Many people yelled "small sample size!!!", Colorado fans yelled "Best since ORR!"

Yes, because no Karlsson fanboy has ever compared him to Orr... Jesus Christ...

 

[MAB1]

Does this really impact production?

So you're saying that playing with Mackinnon, Landy, Rantanen and Kadri is the same as playing with Mark Stone, Bobby Ryan, Clarke McCarthur and co?

Does Adam Fox put up the same amount of points on the Coyotes or Kraken that he does with the Rangers? Probably not.

Karlsson never played with a player as good as Rantanen in Ottawa, let alone Mackinnon.

 

[Tryblot]

I dunno … what he’s done so far is insane. I’d have him as a generational guy.

Of course you would. I bet you also now think Georgiev is a generational goalie as well. The Avs are apparently the best team that's ever played as they have a full line of generational players. Never been seen before until this Avs team.

Generational team couldn't beat an AHL goalie the other night apparently though. Funny how that works.

 

[MAB1]

Karlsson never had a year like Makar did last season.



Karlsson was able to rack up points due to lack of talent. A lot more mouths to feed in Colorado.

Karlsson never played with a forward group that Makar walked into right away. His best forward was 60 point Mark Stone. Makar's rookie year Mackinnon had 93 points in 69 games.

Karlsson playing with a lack of talent means the opposition can key in on him more because the others aren't the same threat. On Colorado if you key in on Makar that opens up Mackinnon, Landy, Rantanen and Kadri when he was there. What a dumb argument.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Karlsson contract remains the most negative value in hockey. A short burst of good play doesn’t cover that. Long term. That contract is a disaster for San Jose.

Complete hyberbole. He's over paid 3/4M, but it's not like the sharks are competing for a cup and need the capspace.

There's a handful of contracts on his own team that have worse value. Let alone being the most negative in hockey.

 

[flyfysher]

If you had to choose, would you rather have Karlsson or Makar on your team now?

 

[Foppberg]

Of course you would. I bet you also now think Georgiev is a generational goalie as well. The Avs are apparently the best team that's ever played as they have a full line of generational players. Never been seen before until this Avs team.

Generational team couldn't beat an AHL goalie the other night apparently though. Funny how that works.

I’d only categorize Makar as a borderline generational player, everybody else is a no.

Nice bait though.