Is Kale Makar already an automatic for the HOF?

[wetcoast]

If his career continues the way it started he’s a lock

The thing is that he is a lock already because if his career got derailed it would 99% be from injuries or something catastrophic which would probably help him even more.

It was like Gretzky at the same point of his career (first 4 seasons) even without a SC he was in the HHOF already.

 

[Golden_Jet]

The thing is that he is a lock already because if his career got derailed it would 99% be from injuries or something catastrophic which would probably help him even more.

It was like Gretzky at the same point of his career (first 4 seasons) even without a SC he was in the HHOF already.

Zero chance, name the players in the hall today with around 238 games played, that were regular NHLers post 1967.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Wtf???? Who is voting yes?! LOL

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

No. He's a bozo, just like JT Miller.

 

[Video Nasty]

Too often people disregard the fame factor. Makar is a Norris winning 3 time finalist, won the Calder, and helped his team win a Cup while winning the Conn Smythe, all in just four seasons.

Once he plays next season, he’ll have half a decade in the books. If he plays 70+ games, he’ll almost certainly win another Norris. His resume as it stands is already better than a majority of the defensemen in the Hall of Fame.

Nothing he does from here on out will make me think he isn’t a Hall of Famer, so why not just declare him HoF bound now? Why will the people saying no right now change their mind to yes, if 6 seasons from now, he hasn’t added any hardware to what he has now? All because of playing another 400 games?

Seeing the counting stats like games played and points go up isn’t necessary for me.

 

[Regal]

I don’t think so. I think he very likely will with a typical career arc at this point, but I don’t think he’s done enough yet if his career ended today or if he gets injured and fizzles out. If he had 4 years like 21-22 then maybe, but he’s missed too much time and hasn’t been quite at that level the other years.

 

[wetcoast]

I don’t think so. I think he very likely will with a typical career arc at this point, but I don’t think he’s done enough yet if his career ended today or if he gets injured and fizzles out. If he had 4 years like 21-22 then maybe, but he’s missed too much time and hasn’t been quite at that level the other years.

I get waht you are saying but at what point does a similar player (with a slightly lesser start to his NHL career) Brina Leetch make the HHOF?

In his age 25 season Leetch won the Conn Smythe and would probably have (at the same points of their careers, Makar has to play next season so this is where it's tricky) a slightly less impressive resume than Makar but he undoubtedly would have been a HHOF had he died or suffered a career. ending injury one would think.

Put another way Makar already has built his HHOF cake he is just putting more icing on it right now.

 

[Regal]

I get waht you are saying but at what point does a similar player (with a slightly lesser start to his NHL career) Brina Leetch make the HHOF?

In his age 25 season Leetch won the Conn Smythe and would probably have (at the same points of their careers, Makar has to play next season so this is where it's tricky) a slightly less impressive resume than Makar but he undoubtedly would have been a HHOF had he died or suffered a career. ending injury one would think.

Put another way Makar already has built his HHOF cake he is just putting more icing on it right now.

I get that too, but I’m just not sure if he’s memorable enough that a career that short would still get him in. Guys like Bure and Neely are in on small periods too but even then have a lot more filler. That’s why I said a regular career arc should get him in. But if he got hurt and suddenly became a #3-4 for the rest of his career? I dunno, it’s unlikely but I’m just thinking of whether there’s ways for him to still miss.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Is this a serious poll?

 

[McVespa99]

There’s nobody with a Norris and a Smythe who isn’t in the HOF

How many of those guys that are in played less than 250 games in the league. If his career ended today there is no way he would get in

 

[wetcoast]

How many of those guys that are in played less than 250 games in the league. If his career ended today there is no way he would get in

If there was a points based system on scoring points for every player historically out of 1000 the GP # would probably be worth what 30 points?

The HHOF isn't about being top 10 in points at your position or anything as the actual Hall id much bigger than some people think.

 

[bobholly39]

Yes - when he retires, Makar will 100% be a hall of famer even if he doesn't add any more accolades. He's done enough in his prime already to warrant it. So if he were to fall off a cliff in play tomorrow, and become a top ~4-5D only rest of his career, he still gets in.

But if you're saying "if he retires today"....no. Too few games played. Maybe voters make an exception if he dies or there's a tragedy or something, but in the end you need to play enough years to make the hall of fame.

 

[ijuka]

The thing is that he is a lock already because if his career got derailed it would 99% be from injuries or something catastrophic which would probably help him even more.

It was like Gretzky at the same point of his career (first 4 seasons) even without a SC he was in the HHOF already.

Makar is not Gretzky.

 

[wetcoast]

Makar is not Gretzky.

Never said he was but both players are exceptional and at some point early in their careers they would HHOFers.

Sometimes I wonder if people know the history of the HHOF when guys like Hobey Baker, Frank McGee and Hod Stuart are in with really not much time served.

People will disagree but some were calling him the best Dman since Orr in his Norris year and if a career like that derails because of death or injury the narrative has already been spun.

 

[VaporTrail]

Kale No !

 

[spiny norman]

Lopsided result.