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Is Jamie Benn's Art Ross win the worst of all time?

Is Jamie Benn's Art Ross win the worst of all time?

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One of the most entertaining ones of all time I'd say for sure. Super tight race down to literally the last seconds of the season
 
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Regal said:
I don’t think the quality of the player all time should matter here, just the single season. I think there’s a number of guys who were more productive in their best season than the best season of other players who were better than them overall. I do think it was still the worst though
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Well that's the thing though, he basically checks both boxes which is why I don't really think it's a debate.

You want to go based on "worst player to win it?" It's him.

You want to just look at every season in a vacuum? He's still very much at the bottom in that sense too.

To be fair, the list of Art Ross winners is very good (not surprisingly), all legends of the game so no insult to Jamie to be bottom of the list but still himself be a Hall of Very Good Type.

I think IIRC there were seasons where both Alex Tanguay and Robert Lang were leading the league fairly deep into the season so those would've been shockingly bad had they held on.

Video Nasty said:
The point totals were sad, but it’s always a nice example to use when highlighting the chinks in Crosby’s armor.
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Was def a tough one for him to lose given how many sure wins he left on the table via injury.

2 Art Ross wins looks so mediocre relative to his ability.
 
HFpapi said:
Well that's the thing though, he basically checks both boxes which is why I don't really think it's a debate.

You want to go based on "worst player to win it?" It's him.

You want to just look at every season in a vacuum? He's still very much at the bottom in that sense too.

To be fair, the list of Art Ross winners is very good (not surprisingly), all legends of the game so no insult to Jamie to be bottom of the list but still himself be a Hall of Very Good Type.

I think IIRC there were seasons where both Alex Tanguay and Robert Lang were leading the league fairly deep into the season so those would've been shockingly bad had they held on.


Was def a tough one for him to lose given how many sure wins he left on the table via injury.

2 Art Ross wins looks so mediocre relative to his ability.
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There’s no reason he shouldn’t have won at 27 and 28. It’s a shame for sure.
 
It's the smallest margin of victory over 5th highest scorer since expansion. So the least dominant Art Ross.

Yes, arguably the worst win.

For reference, the 10 lowest margins of victory post-expansion for Art Ross winners (vs 5)

YearPlayerPoint#5 PointsMargin
2014-15Jamie Benn87817.4%
2012-13Martin St. Louis60559.1%
2002-03Peter Forsberg106979.3%
2017-18Connor McDavid1089711.3%
1975-76Guy Lafleur12511112.6%
1999-00Jaromir Jagr968512.9%
1967-68Stan Mikita877713.0%
2022-23Connor McDavid12310813.9%
2010-11Daniel Sedin1049114.3%
2003-04Martin St. Louis948214.6%

For reference, the highest margin over #5 was Wayne Gretzky in 1982-83 at a bonkers 83.2%. McDavid this past year put up 37.8%. McDavid 2021 put up 59.1%.
 
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I'm voting no, and there's only one 'worse' winner in my mind - MSL in 2013. He also had low Hart voting % that year, didn't lap the bunch, and it was a short year. Benn at least did it over 82 games. There's not much difference between a 9th and 12th place Hart finish IMO. Neither played was a regular PK fixture but Benn spent a bit more time shorthanded. Benn had Seguin but MSL had Stamkos. Benn had the 'intangibles' advantage as the captain, leader, physical presence, two-way play, etc. Not that he surpasses peak MSL or anything, but Marty was 37 that year.

These two in particular stick out to me, and the next 'candidates' are guys like Mikita in '64 or Lach in '48 but I'm not about to argue against a pair of actual legends.
 
Scoring levels were embarrassing, no issue with Benn considering the trophy has no bias and goes to whomever wins it by being better than his peers and isn’t a voted on trophy
 
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Kane only played 2mins of that final game against Florida in February before being injured.

So he basically had 64pts in 60 games.
87pt pace.

Who knows what would have happened the rest of the way but if I had to put money on it, Kane would have taken the Art Ross.


The following year:
1. Kane 106pts
2. Benn 89pts
 
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x Tame Impala said:
I think had Kane played all 82 games that year he would've had more than 87 points. Agree to disagree
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This isn't really an agree to disagree situation. I've provided nothing but facts. He would have needed to be healthy and increase his scoring rate to pass Benn. You seem to think he would have increased his scoring rate somehow but have provided no basis.
 
Ace Card Bedard said:
Kane only played 2mins of that final game against Florida in February before being injured.

So he basically had 64pts in 60 games.
87pt pace.

Who knows what would have happened the rest of the way but if I had to put money on it, Kane would have taken the Art Ross.


The following year:
1. Kane 106pts
2. Benn 89pts
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SMH....

I'd like to punch both in the face...

I could take Kane, straight up...Benn's likely to put me in the hospital.

Back to Benn and the trophy, IDK which poster mentioned his name but a good comparable is Martin St. Louis win. Both were pretty unimpressive for "whatever" reason fans can come up with.

Offense that season Benn won it too, I mean it was weird. Undeniably, Jiri Hulder for crying out loud as a top 10 scorer? In what world... but it happened.
 
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hairylikebear said:
This isn't really an agree to disagree situation. I've provided nothing but facts. He would have needed to be healthy and increase his scoring rate to pass Benn. You seem to think he would have increased his scoring rate somehow but have provided no basis.
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Kane was at the time and throughout their careers a better offensive player than Benn. The year he was injured was the season before his Hart season where he tore the league apart.

It was very very close. Either way Benn was lucky that his only Ross competition was Tavares, as both Crosby and Kane would've passed him had they stayed healthy.
 
You have to era adjust the numbers to get anywhere with this discussion. I voted yes but with afterthought there might have been worse since the 60’s, scoring was super low in 2016.
 
Snuggs said:
SMH....

I'd like to punch both in the face...

I could take Kane, straight up...Benn's likely to put me in the hospital.

Back to Benn and the trophy, IDK which poster mentioned his name but a good comparable is Martin St. Louis win. Both were pretty unimpressive for "whatever" reason fans can come up with.

Offense that season Benn won it too, I mean it was weird. Undeniably, Jiri Hulder for crying out loud as a top 10 scorer? In what world... but it happened.
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It’s because Crosby didn’t win. If he did, we wouldn’t hear the end about the number of Art Ross wins he would have.
 
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Yeah it's gotta be down there as one of the worst. That was a second place type of season. Usually there's at least one player who has a big year that would be around 100 points. If Seguin, Crosby or Kane didn't miss time one of them probably would have won it. Still I think people are a little bit disrespectful towards Benn though. He was an elite forward for a 4-5 year span and he stayed healthy and played the games and deservedly won it.
 
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It depends on how you define worst. If you mean "not a lot of points", or "no single dominant player" then yeah, it's right up there with the worst of them. If you define it as "least exciting finish" then no, there have been much worse ones. I prefer to think of hockey as fun, so I voted "No."
 
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