Is it time to fire DeBoer?

[Bleedred]

Yes, plain and simple. We need to find a coach that can play a system better suited for the team we have right now.

I'm not sure exactly what system will work. I just know this one isn't anymore. We have one of the lowest shooting percentages in the league and constantly take 30 shots on net or more, with two goals or less to show for it

If Stevens or Kowalsky from Albany is the best Lou can do for a replacement, we may as well just keep Deboer.

 

[MountainGoat]

still no

this isn't a very good team on paper but we're starting to play alot better as a team, just a matter of time before we start to get the wins.

 

[MountainGoat]

also anyone that compares PD to JMAC is an idiot

 

[Rob Nieds work ethic]

No, I don't think so.

Furthermore, Lou is going to give Pete a very long leash for taking this team to the Cup finals for the first in 9 years, even after last season's letdown.

 

[tsipka]

still no

this isn't a very good team on paper but we're starting to play alot better as a team, just a matter of time before we start to get the wins.

I'm on the No train as well, but we were saying the same thing last year. We were saying how not winning is unsustainable with the way we were playing. Well it has sustained into this year.

I am a no right now, but that may change quickly. The bottom line is that some kind of change MUST be made. I think Lou needs to get rid of a Dman so that a young guy can play befor Deboer gets the axe.

 

[DevHock]

I'm not sure

On one hand, the play has improved, the Ottawa, Canuck and Ranger efforts should result in wins against almost any team. Last night they finally had the right idea on defense.

Forgetting about his questionable personnel moves, the system, working with young players, there seems to be a culture of losing developing. That the team expects to do enough to win, but will end up losing. He made need to go just to flush out that mentality.

 

[glenwo2]

No, I don't think so.

Furthermore, Lou is going to give Pete a very long leash for taking this team to the Cup finals for the first in 9 years, even after last season's letdown.

If that's true, then Lou probably doesn't care about losing a potential Top-10 pick in the draft this year.

 

[R8Devs]

also anyone that compares PD to JMAC is an idiot

Peter DeBoer's record last 46 games: 12-23-11

John Maclean's record(33 games): 9-22-2


Just because the team looks better and the 'system' looks better doesn't mean it works.

The only problem I have with firing Deboer is who is going to replace him. But then again it shouldn't be that hard to better than a 1-5-4 record.

 

[SeidoN]

The only problem I have with firing Deboer is who is going to replace him. But then again it shouldn't be that hard to better than a 1-5-4 record.

I could name at least 10 HFers here who could coach over a 1-5-4

 

[JerryGigantic]

Once Marty or Patty tells Lou that DeBoer's gotta go, he'll be gone.

My understanding is that Patty really likes DeBoer.

Essentially hated Sutter, thought Maclean sucked and had mixed feelings about Lemaire, but thinks the current guy has been the best in years... So it would be something for Elias to change his tune here.

 

[MountainGoat]

I'm on the No train as well, but we were saying the same thing last year. We were saying how not winning is unsustainable with the way we were playing. Well it has sustained into this year.

I am a no right now, but that may change quickly. The bottom line is that some kind of change MUST be made. I think Lou needs to get rid of a Dman so that a young guy can play befor Deboer gets the axe.

our goaltending has to be more consistent, I don't even want to think about last season with Moose in net, he cost us so many games it's not even funny.

we don't have any top end talent but we play well as a team and once our goalies figure their **** out we'll get the wins

 

[Bleedred]

our goaltending has to be more consistent, I don't even want to think about last season with Moose in net, he cost us so many games it's not even funny.

we don't have any top end talent but we play well as a team and once our goalies figure their **** out we'll get the wins

We'll probably have to get a lot of 2-1 or 1-0 wins. This team hardly can break the 3 goal mark with this ''Aggressive awesome forechecking system that's so effective''.

 

[MountainGoat]

We'll probably have to get a lot of 2-1 or 1-0 wins. This team hardly can break the 3 goal mark with this ''Aggressive awesome forechecking system that's so effective''.

yea so lets go back to playing the trap where we ****ing struggle to get even one goal

 

[Bleedred]

yea so lets go back to playing the trap where we ****ing struggle to get even one goal

I don't know if the trap is the answer either. Bottom line is Lou is gonna have to find a coach who plays a system that he thinks will play a system best suited for the roster that he's built.

 

[glenwo2]

My understanding is that Patty really likes DeBoer.

Essentially hated Sutter, thought Maclean sucked and had mixed feelings about Lemaire, but thinks the current guy has been the best in years... So it would be something for Elias to change his tune here.

I'm sorry but why would Patty have mixed feelings about Lemaire?

 

[Richer's Ghost]

Maybe because Lemaire bingo balled the lines every shift it seemed.

 

[Rella17]

we need a lot of young players and DeBoer hates young players

he has no reason to continue coaching here

 

[SeidoN]

yea so lets go back to playing the trap where we ****ing struggle to get even one goal

what do you mean GO BACK to the trap?

 

[Benedict Parisechuk]

He should be gone just based off of there total inability to play with a lead. It is completely unacceptable to score first in almost every game and then lose. They have blown more leads over these last 3 seasons then they did in the previous 15 years combined. That, combined with the ridiculous lineup decisions and the fetish with the 4th line has me about done with the guy. I gave him the benefit of the doubt last year because it was just a wacky year overall because of the lockout, the injuries, the sieve like goaltending and Zach leaving but I really can't defend him anymore after these first 10 games. They need to make a change just to get a new voice in the locker room because I'd be shocked if the players haven't completely tuned him out by now.

 

[Devils Dominion]

Sack/Can/Heave/Fire him

 

[Sir Fenwick Corsi]

Henrique and Zajac. If these two stiffs start bringing more to the table, then Pete's job security should really come into question if these piss poor results continue. Otherwise, I'm leaning towards cutting DeBoer some more slack. Lou essentially made these two guys cornerstones of the team and they have not played to that level in a really long time. They must produce, plain and simple. Now just think of any other coach out there. What could you honestly expect if they were in this situation? The more you look into how this team is put together and how some really important guys are not getting it done, the less it seems that Pete is the big issue here.

Everybody points to Larry and Adam as being the brains behind DeBoer and I don't buy it. Wtf was their excuse when Mac was around? Pete's a good coach with a strong system and while you can surely take issue with the roster decisions, I think the team is finally starting to come around. The games are getting better lately. To start fresh with someone else now, I just don't think they can afford it after basically throwing the first month of the season away. They're too far into it for a restart imho.

I thought DeBoer was the best thing to happen to this club 2 years ago. Last year was a bull **** 48 game joke where he had to coach the likes of Bobby Butler and a beyond green rookie like Matteau. That's on Lou, not Pete. I just hope the team starts winning some games. They'll be much better for it if they work out of this malaise together.

 

[NJDevs26]

No, I don't think so.

Furthermore, Lou is going to give Pete a very long leash for taking this team to the Cup finals for the first in 9 years, even after last season's letdown.

Larry Robinson won a Stanley Cup in 2000, got to Game 7 of the Finals in 2001 and was fired mid-season in 2002. What changed over the last decade that Pete gets carte blanche to lose two straight seasons?

 

[NJDevs26]

I'm sorry but why would Patty have mixed feelings about Lemaire?

Most likely because Lemaire frequently benched a young Elias (and Sykora) during his 'first' tenure here and had no personal relationship with the players then either. Kind of similar to the way Pete treats the kids now, only not quite as frigid as Lemaire v1.0.

 

[pulkit1989]

how would you guys feel if we were to bring back brent sutter.. i mean yes he ditched us to go to calgary, but his system definitely worked!.. we were a good team under him.. someone posted elias hated sutter.. why did he hate him?

 

[Sir Fenwick Corsi]

how would you guys feel if we were to bring back brent sutter.. i mean yes he ditched us to go to calgary, but his system definitely worked!.. we were a good team under him.. someone posted elias hated sutter.. why did he hate him?

Rewatch the first round of 09 and then see how you feel about his coaching. Screw that guy. He was given a pretty mediocre team in 08 but managed to keep them on track thanks to a really strong season from Marty. So we'll just call that a wash. But 2009? I'll never understand how he did a complete 180 like that. Everything that worked for them through 70 games was pushed aside for a checking line centric game plan. Maurice out coached him badly in that series. Real bad.