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I've heard the last "we did some good things" after another loss that I care to hear. The man sounds defeated and out of answers. Yeah, the roster is awful, but I think it's time to change for the sake of change.
 
He's bulldozing right down the list of "How to get fired by Lou Lams."

1. Miss the playoffs.
2. Wear the same suit to every game.
3. Show zero emotion.
4. Look like a deer in headlights.
5. Call out your players.
6. Call out the wrong players.
7. Make Lou look bad.
8. Lose a lot of games.
9. Make Lou answer questions about your job security
10. Use the word "passenger" in a post-game.
11. Use the word "identity" in a loss.
12. Use the word "uncoachable" in a post-game.
 
But what good would it really do? I don't think its an end all be all solution to this team. I feel its more of a roster problem. However there could definitely be a coach that could get more out of this team. In PDB's defense he has lost two of his best players in two years. But thats just me.

BTW 1st post! :cheers:
 
Loyal Lou said:
But what good would it really do? I don't think its an end all be all solution to this team. I feel its more of a roster problem. However there could definitely be a coach that could get more out of this team. In PDB's defense he has lost two of his best players in two years. But thats just me.

BTW 1st post! :cheers:
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Welcome!

we need a coach not afraid to play young guys, willing to adjust if things arent working, and able to shuffle the system to the context of the game
 
KaossKing said:
Welcome!

we need a coach not afraid to play young guys, willing to adjust if things arent working, and able to shuffle the system to the context of the game
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Thank you!

Agreed. DeBoer Logic makes zero sense sometimes. One thing that has annoyed me about PDB is, like you said, is that he never adjusts if things aren't working. How many did we see that a game is being called tightly do we see the Devils get into penalty trouble? It happens a lot. That is something he has to change.

As far as younger guys, knowing PDB logic Gelinas is already in Albany. Sometimes he needs to sit some of the vets for younger guys. I wanted Merrill and Gelinas on the team before the season started.
 
Loyal Lou said:
But what good would it really do? I don't think its an end all be all solution to this team. I feel its more of a roster problem. However there could definitely be a coach that could get more out of this team. In PDB's defense he has lost two of his best players in two years. But thats just me.

BTW 1st post! :cheers:
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Solid first post - welcome to the boards.

And I agree with you. I may not like what's going on but I'm not ready to hack off an arm just because my thumb hurts. I want a replacement plan that includes the system that can win with this roster before I can the coach. Despite his odd lineup choices I have yet to get that Johnny Mac adrift in the ocean in a raft feeling. I see players scoring but bonehead plays in our zone (and giveaways) directly resulting in the losses time and again. I have a hard time hanging the coach for execution mistakes galore. I would almost prefer a big 8 player trade or something to attempt to align the skills to the system and maybe shed some vets to play the youth we have and maybe bring more aboard. We've got some aging Dmen playing great right now (despite our record) that would make decent trade pieces with plenty of depth behind them.

Tell me who's ready to sign on in his place and I may change my tune but just to go through the motion again as a wake up call to the team seems a short lived solution.

That all said, I can't see lasting another 3-4 games without 2-3 wins to show this can turn around. I think Lou learned with Mac you can't keep waiting out of respect to the person. Business is business sometimes. Cup run or not.
 
Richer's Ghost said:
Solid first post - welcome to the boards.

And I agree with you. I may not like what's going on but I'm not ready to hack off an arm just because my thumb hurts. I want a replacement plan that includes the system that can win with this roster before I can the coach. Despite his odd lineup choices I have yet to get that Johnny Mac adrift in the ocean in a raft feeling. I see players scoring but bonehead plays in our zone (and giveaways) directly resulting in the losses time and again. I have a hard time hanging the coach for execution mistakes galore. I would almost prefer a big 8 player trade or something to attempt to align the skills to the system and maybe shed some vets to play the youth we have and maybe bring more aboard. We've got some aging Dmen playing great right now (despite our record) that would make decent trade pieces with plenty of depth behind them.

Tell me who's ready to sign on in his place and I may change my tune but just to go through the motion again as a wake up call to the team seems a short lived solution.

That all said, I can't see lasting another 3-4 games without 2-3 wins to show this can turn around. I think Lou learned with Mac you can't keep waiting out of respect to the person. Business is business sometimes. Cup run or not.
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I haven't been too happy with some of Pete's decisions, but I think you're right on point with this post. The more I think about it, I really don't see how a new coach will help. Pete's not getting the results and it's been going on for way too long now, but how much better can the team play than yesterday? It wasn't a "great" game, but certainly good enough for a win against one of the better teams in the league.

As long as he does a better job with the roster and young players, I'd be willing to let him work through this. Like you said, it's not as if the team has tuned him out and we have a Mac situation on our hands. I don't get that impression at least. They're just really good at finding ways to lose it seems and there is only so much a coach can do. Thing is, he's getting really close to that breaking point where Lou is going to have to do something. Getting a different voice in the room is likely the cleanest option, but I'm not sure how much it would work.
 
I don't think anyone blames Deboer for the loss last night. However, most of his other losses can be at least partly attributed to him.

9 regulation wins in the past ~46 games or so is unacceptable.
 
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Once Marty or Patty tells Lou that DeBoer's gotta go, he'll be gone.
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I actually wonder if Patty suggested the Lokti line. It's something Pete's never done. I was surprised Lokti even saw the ice last night.

Someone had to take control and suggest it. Either Lou or Patty. Patty spoke very highly of Lokti last night. It might be that some of the veterans are higher on the younger guys than Pete is (and more patient).
 
I was with BG and wanted him gonezo awhile ago.

But he is just starting to play some of the kids, it will buy him a few more games if they can get a few points. Let's see how the next 2-3 go. If we go 0-2-1 or something, he's toast.
 
Sir Fenwick Corsi said:
I haven't been too happy with some of Pete's decisions, but I think you're right on point with this post. The more I think about it, I really don't see how a new coach will help. Pete's not getting the results and it's been going on for way too long now, but how much better can the team play than yesterday? It wasn't a "great" game, but certainly good enough for a win against one of the better teams in the league.

As long as he does a better job with the roster and young players, I'd be willing to let him work through this. Like you said, it's not as if the team has tuned him out and we have a Mac situation on our hands. I don't get that impression at least. They're just really good at finding ways to lose it seems and there is only so much a coach can do. He's getting really close to that breaking point where Lou is going to have to do something. Getting a different voice in the room is likely the cleanest option, but I'm not sure how much it would work.
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I guess the net/net of it is we keep getting leads then blowing them with execution errors. Maybe it's time to punish the errors first - THEN if Pete isn't willing to do that, punish HIM for not demanding more out of the players making the errors and can him for someone that will.

Mac never seemed to have a lead to blow so it feels different even though the results are disgustingly similar.
 
The team played a good game last night. If not for a **** up by Schneider, they pull out a win against a top team in the league. My main problem with him is roster decisions. Because I realize this isn't a great team to begin with, so losses aren't always on him. I don't see who would come in to do a much better job, so, the way I see it is...

Pete removes Larsson/Gelinas from the roster? GTFO dumb ass

Pete keeps them, and the team doesn't play like an absolute train wreck? (like the CBJ game) - Keep him
 
I dont think the losses have been Pete's fault. We have not come together as a team yet. In every game, one or more of the O, D and G have been terrible (Outside of the Rags game- they were terrible).

Of late, our D breakdowns have decreased significantly, but we still cant score more than 2 goals. Our goalies have given up softies every game. I think the coaches have done a decent job to right the ship, but the players are just not executing. They have countless chances to score goals, but cant finish. Then a mistake is made and it costs us.
 
Ever since the guy was here we've been blowing leads out of the ass, in the 11-12 regular season, the 11-12 playoffs, 12-13 we couldn't even get a lead, and this year we have had the lead in every game except 1 and there is only 1 win to show for that.

I don't know how many coaches that can post the record he has for the past 50 games and still have a job.


Also the gross amount of times he plays the 4th line, sitting Josefson,Loktionov, and Larsson over Carter, Gionta, and Harrold.
 
I guess PDB Achilles heel is setting the lineup. I feel like he feels he has to play the vets because they have more experience and maybe they are just having a bad stretch over some of the younger guys who need the experience. And some of the fringe guys that haven't been playing well at the top level keep playing that makes you want to bash your head into a wall/

Also I feel that now there are some moves that Lou could make to dump some of the older, slower defensemen for some prospects which could be key considering we are losing a 1st rounder this year. Granted they aren't going to fetch much for example Salvador but could get a younger depth forward or bottom 2 defenseman at a cheaper price.
 
I'm still very conflicted about whether or not Pete needs to go. On the one hand, you can see that when the team struggles with a particular aspect it usually gets improved within a couple of games or sometimes the very next game, which shows that the issues get addressed and for the most part fixed. The problem is, every time one issue gets fixed another one comes up and they always find a way to lose. The other thing is that, since last season not a single player on this team has stepped up to play at or above their expected level. Not a single player, with maybe the exception of Elias, has played well consistently since last season. So far this season, none of the new guys have played consistently well, with maybe the exception of Jagr. I mean, look at someone like Schneider, he still hasn't played up to his typical level except in one game so far this year. So to me, there is clearly something wrong here when every player we have doesn't play their best. As I've said many times, a great coach gets the very best out of the players on his roster, and thus far I have not seen any evidence that Pete can even get his players to play consistently, much less get the very best out of them.

I think making the right lineup choices is a good first step. But if he doesn't do that after seeing last night's game and the impact the young guys had, then he needs to go ASAP.
 
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