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SomeDude said:
They should sell the name of the trophy every year to the highest bidder for a sponsorship. Imagine the prestigious “Arby’s award for guy who scored the most points. He has the meats.”
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It's funny, but in reality, if the NHL ever opens up to renaming trophies, stuff like the "Huawei Leading Scorer Trophy" will be the result.
They can then even add more pointless awards for max $$$, the "BlueChew® Hardest Hitter Award," etc.

Just need to look at what's happened to classic stadium/arena names to predict what opening up this can of worms would lead to.
 
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MichaelFarrell said:
Jeff Marek brought this up on todays episode of the Jeff Marek show and I agree with him. I think it’s time to rename some the awards. We have no awards named after Wayne, Bobby Orr, Gordie Howe, Etc. Nearly all the awards are named after executives.

-Conn Smyth was a racist.

-Art Ross, despite being an innovator, had 1 point in the 3 nhl games played.

-James Norris was an owner of several organizations but it’s not like he ever played.

-The Hart trophy was donated by the Hart family, Cecil Hart was the coach of the Montreal Canadians.

-Ted Lindsay’s name being on a trophy is well deserved and I’d want that one to stay.

-Georges Vezina only played 88 NHL games.

-The Bill Masterton trophy is named after the only player to die in the NHL from on-ice related injury.

-Frank Calder was the first President of the NHL.

-Frank Selke was a successful GM.

-William Jennings was the president of the Rangers

-Maurice Rocket Richard is obviously an award who’s name shouldn’t change.

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I agree, here are some proposals:


Art Ross: Wayne Gretzky Award
Hart: Wayne Gretzky Award
Richard: Wayne Gretzky Award
Calder: Wayne Gretzky Award (he definitely deserved one, this is the way to award it to him)
Vezina: Brian Boucher Award
Frank Selke: The XGA% Award
 
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At this point the trophy names are iconic though, like players win the Hart not the "MVP"
If they changed them no one would actually use the new ones (you think in the NBA people are going to start saying XYZ is the frontrunner for the Michael Jordan Award?)
 
Holy shit no! i was a kid when I started watching hockey and I didn't know the names of the Trophies and it didn't matter either. I knew hockey existed before I was born, never even occurred to me that a naming change would be an option or needed. Things have value because they have a history not because some sh!ttard needs Kentuky Fried Chicken needs to be changed to KFC because people have ADD because they ate to much processed chicken. ( see wut i did there )

Holy f*** I hate the internet for this very reason, people think things exist for the very fact that they exist.
Bulletin, they don't.


TLDR: meh I don't care i call it by it's real name.
 
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The NHL has distinctive trophies with names that fans actually know, unlike in most other sports. Terrible idea, and also terrible reasons given in the OP. I liked the Lindsay name change due to the specifics of NHLPA history, but there is no good reason to change the names of the NHL trophies.
 
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MichaelFarrell said:
Jeff Marek brought this up on todays episode of the Jeff Marek show and I agree with him. I think it’s time to rename some the awards. We have no awards named after Wayne, Bobby Orr, Gordie Howe, Etc. Nearly all the awards are named after executives.

-Conn Smyth was a racist.

-Art Ross, despite being an innovator, had 1 point in the 3 nhl games played.

-James Norris was an owner of several organizations but it’s not like he ever played.

-The Hart trophy was donated by the Hart family, Cecil Hart was the coach of the Montreal Canadians.

-Ted Lindsay’s name being on a trophy is well deserved and I’d want that one to stay.

-Georges Vezina only played 88 NHL games.

-The Bill Masterton trophy is named after the only player to die in the NHL from on-ice related injury.

-Frank Calder was the first President of the NHL.

-Frank Selke was a successful GM.

-William Jennings was the president of the Rangers

-Maurice Rocket Richard is obviously an award who’s name shouldn’t change.

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I’d like to see:
Conn Smyth: Jean Beliveau Award
Art Ross: Wayne Gretzky Award
Hart: Gordie Howe Award
Frank Selke: Patrice Bergeron Award
Calder: Teemu Selanne Award
Vezina: Vladislav Tretiak Award
Jennings: Dominick Hasek Award
Norris: Orr-Lidstrom Award
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If Masterton died in a game, I don't think it makes sense to name the comeback trophy after him.
 
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Let's be reality, the awards should be named after the respected corporate sponsors of the NHL

Art Ross: Crypto.com leading scorer - for all the dorks who love stats too much

Rocket Richard: Navy Federal Credit Union goal leader - put it in the bank some credit union with them goals

Hart: BioSteel most valuable player - gotta drink BioSteel (wtf is BioSteel lol?) to be the best

Lindsay: Tim Hortons most outstanding player - still gets to be named after a player

Norris: Geico best defenseman - guy back there got our back like Geico

Selke: SAP defensive forward of the year - this has become a fancy stat award anyway

Vezina: Draft Kings Sportsbook goalie of the year - best goalie any year is a gamble anyway

Calder: Great Clips rookie of the year - gonna be a while before you need to get freshened up after the hazing kid

Lady Byng: Verizon sportsmanship award - Verizon customer service is the best of course

Adams: Enterprise coach of the year - no need to take a taxi after you get fired, we'll pick you up

Jim Gregory: EA Sports GM of the year - self explanatory

Masterton: Chipotle perseverance award - if you can stomach down Chipotle you got guts

King Clancy: Climate Pledge humanitarian award - need to recognize humanitarian efforts done for show

Messier: Lays leadership award - obvious

Stanley Cup: Discover Card cup - fourth rate credit card for a fourth rate league's championship of course
 
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biturbo19 said:
Renaming Trophies isn't real change though. It'd be the same trophy for the same thing. People need to understand that renaming things isn't a meaningful, progressive change. It's just...naming it something different. Instability in the naming of a trophy just devalues it as a whole and adds nothing but confusion to the process. Adds antagonism at worst, when people can't agree on who is "The All Time Best" who deserves to have the trophy named after them.

It's not a real "change". It's a renaming. Pointless superficial "change" like that over time adds absolutely nothing of value if it's not underpinned by real, tangible change.
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I mean, there definitely are situations where a trophy name legitimately went to the wrong sort of person and could stand to be changed. The Jennings is a great example of that. There are probably 300+ people who would make at least as much sense for that trophy.
 
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tarheelhockey said:
I mean, there definitely are situations where a trophy name legitimately went to the wrong sort of person and could stand to be changed. The Jennings is a great example of that. There are probably 300+ people who would make at least as much sense for that trophy.
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Who cares how much "sense" it makes?

That's the point. Opening the door to arguing how much "sense it makes" is opening the door to constantly rotating trophy names. Which is idiotic.


I don't know who Jennings is and i don't care. It's the name of the award for the best Save%. That's it. That's all, it's done. Just leave it alone.
 
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biturbo19 said:
What's wrong with real change? Nothing.


Like i said, i'm very open and receptive to the sort of change that would bring in a brand new "Playmaker" award for Most Assists.

Renaming Trophies isn't real change though. It'd be the same trophy for the same thing. People need to understand that renaming things isn't a meaningful, progressive change. It's just...naming it something different. Instability in the naming of a trophy just devalues it as a whole and adds nothing but confusion to the process. Adds antagonism at worst, when people can't agree on who is "The All Time Best" who deserves to have the trophy named after them.

It's not a real "change". It's a renaming. Pointless superficial "change" like that over time adds absolutely nothing of value if it's not underpinned by real, tangible change.



If anything is "progressive" in terms of changing of the meaning of labels in this...it's that somehow "Art Ross" means "highest scoring NHLer" and has literally nothing to do with the man himself. Same for most of the other trophies. Their names are almost fully abstracted.
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Lol. You just summed up exactly what Carlin pointed out years ago.
 
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The men who built the league have these awards named for them because they built the league.

And now their descendants who have accomplished nothing are complaining that they did not have 2022-era mores and attitudes.

Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.
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Could make the argument that you could rename the Hart Trophy to the Fraud Trophy after Matthews “won” it.
 
This may be a minor gripe, but I really don't like the term award being used in place of trophy.

I'd rather win the Norris Trophy than the Bobby Orr Award. Orr Trophy? I guess that could grow on me but whatever.
 
MichaelFarrell said:
Why? I think the players rather than executives deserve the awards named after them.
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Without knowing specifics those executives are the ones who, presumably, made the foundation so that hockey players today can enjoy a life in luxury playing a game for a living just saying.

Very disrespectful to change trophy names etc in general, same goes for tearing down statues and what not. In my opinion that is.

Wouldn't mind if they added a couple of new trophies like most points for dmen, most assists etc.
 
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Aurinko said:
I like the idea. Times change and hockey changes so why not update the trophys to something bit more current.
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Bettman Trophy and Ovechkin Trophy(perhaps sponsored by Putin himself) would be fun.
 
I am fine with the original names of the trophies. They are part of the history of the NHL, why mess with it?!
Although I do find it unusual that Wayne Gretzky doesn't have a trophy named after him. He has some records that may never be broken, such as his 2857 career NHL points.
 
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I think they need to hop on the LeBron Bandwagon and name one after him... Get him before the NBA does!.
(TIC)

Maybe for MVP..
 
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