Is it time for Lou to get his walking papers

[Benedict Parisechuk]

do you guys realize how much can change in 5 years?

Nope, because it doesn't fit his narrative.

 

[Tundra]

Ok, terrific. Will they be that much better based on what trading Vanek, you give the unknown way too much credit.

While we are at, you know the powerball number for say two weeks out?

Kenny Rogers sang? I thought he was a restauranteur.

Archaic organizational philosophy? someone get him some sigma courses.

The state of the league is win or die and he seems to be doing well overall. Don't know what league you are following. Than again, you did somehow prop up St. Louis as some type of blueprint to follow.

There you go again bashing the blues, when Lou can't even hold Doug Armstrong's jock in terms of recent drafts. Do you really want to start comparing the two??

 

[JerryGigantic]

Picks my friend. More lottery tickets to go with the talent that they have already compiled. Meanwhile, the devils have the worst forward prospect pool in the NHL with the increasing chance of surrendering a high first rounder in 2014.

Ah, yes, the picks. Where somehow being terrible makes you great. Perhaps you can alternate your fandom with a Buffalo, Edmonton, Islanders rotation.

 

[GhostofKenKlee]

There you go again bashing the blues, when Lou can't even hold Doug Armstrong's jock in terms of recent drafts. Do you really want to start comparing the two??

Now, you are just grasping for straws.

Not bashing the BLues, but you did hold up the Blues and Blackhawks are your examples of successful rebuilds.

Please do compare what he's responsible for and not his scout who left for Columbus and their on ice success. Drafting is great and all, but here is his tenure up until this year. Here is that impressive body of work you cite:


STL

2010–11
82 38 33 — 11 87 4th in Central - - - Missed Playoffs

STL

2011–12
82 49 22 — 11 109 1st in Central 4 5 .444 Lost in Second Round (LA)

STL

2012–13
48 29 17 — 2 60 2nd in Pacific 2 4 .333 Lost in First Round (LA)

Lou tells Armstrong and you to run home and get his shinebox .

 

[Tundra]

Book it, Buffalo will be better than the Devils because they traded Vanek for picks.

(mod) They scored a large heist when they dealt Pominville for Larsson, Hackett, a 2013 first rounder and a 2014 2nd rounder. The Vanek deal is only part of their rebuild and they're bound to gain more assets for Miller.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Kings had like 75 points in 08-09

they won the Cup in 2012 and are now one of the best teams in the West.

just one example.

 

[Tundra]

Ah, yes, the picks. Where somehow being terrible makes you great. Perhaps you can alternate your fandom with a Buffalo, Edmonton, Islanders rotation.

Yes, accumulation of high end picks is a dreadful strategy. Those banners in Chicago and Pittsburgh just magically appeared out of sheer luck.

 

[GhostofKenKlee]

Armstrong Drafting record:

2013 Entry 47 2 Tommy Vannelli D Minnetonka (Minn. H.S.)
2013 Entry 57 2 William Carrier L Cape Breton Screaming Eagles [QMJHL]
2013 Entry 112 4 Zach Pochiro L Prince George Cougars [WHL]
2013 Entry 173 6 Santeri Saari D Jokerit Jrs. (Finland)


2012 Entry 25 1 Jordan Schmaltz D Green Bay Gamblers [USHL]
2012 Entry 56 2 Sam Kurker R St. John's Prep [Mass. H.S.]
2012 Entry 67 3 Mackenzie MacEachern L Brother Rice H.S. [Minn. H.S.]
2012 Entry 86 3 Colton Parayko D Fort McMurray Oil Barons [AJHL]
2012 Entry 116 4 Nick Walters D Everett Silvertips [WHL]
2012 Entry 146 5 Francois Tremblay G Val d'Or Foreurs [QMJHL]
2012 Entry 176 6 Petteri Lindbohm D Jokerit Jrs. [Finland]
2012 Entry 206 7 Tyrel Seaman C Brandon Wheat King

2011 Entry 32 2 Ty Rattie R Portland Winterhawks [WHL]
2011 Entry 41 2 Dmitrij Jaskin L Slavia Praha HC [Czech] 2 0 0 0 0
2011 Entry 46 2 Joel Edmundson D Moose Jaw Warriors [WHL]
2011 Entry 88 3 Jordan Binnington G Owen Sound Attack [OHL]
2011 Entry 102 4 Yannick Veilleux L Shawinigan Cataractes [QMJHL]
2011 Entry 132 5 Niklas Lundstrom G AIK [SEL]
2011 Entry 162 6 Ryan Tesink L Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL]
2011 Entry 192 7 Teemu Eronen D Jokerit Helsinki [SM-liiga]

2010 Entry 14 1 Jaden Schwartz C Tri-City Storm [USHL] 78 15 19 34 17
2010 Entry 16 1 Vladimir Tarasenko R Novosibirsk Siber [KHL] 64 17 16 33 12
2010 Entry 44 2 Sebastian Wannstrom R Brynas IF Gavle [SEL]
2010 Entry 74 3 Max Gardiner F Minnetonka H.S. [Minn.]
2010 Entry 104 4 Jani Hakanpaa D K-Vantaa Jr. [Finland]
2010 Entry 134 5 Cody Beach R Calgary Hitmen [WHL]
2010 Entry 164 6 Stephen MacAulay C Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL]

 

[GhostofKenKlee]

Whoa. (mod) They scored a large heist when they dealt Pominville for Larsson, Hackett, a 2013 first rounder and a 2014 2nd rounder. The Vanek deal is only part of their rebuild and they're bound to gain more assets for Miller.

What a great trade that was, such a heist. The heister that pulled that trigger no longer has his job. (mod)

Hows that trade working out for them. To paraphrase Sam Pollock THe team that gets the best player, wins.

Wow, assets acquired. more unknown entities for known commodities. Add years of continued misery repeat to your liking.

How about you just follow the misery of other franchises instead of wanting that plague on our house.

Besides, seeing how Armstrong has drafted superior to Lou above as a gm. I mean are the blues these whirlbeaters you make them out to be?

 

[JerryGigantic]

Yes, accumulation of high end picks is a dreadful strategy. Those banners in Chicago and Pitssburgh just magically appeared out of sheer luck.

For every Pittsburgh there are half a dozen Calgary, Edmonton, Islanders, etc.

Cherry pick all you like, I have zero faith the Sabres make it to the finals, much less win a Cup, in the next 5 years. I far, far prefer our chances.

 

[Tundra]

For every Pittsburgh there are half a dozen Calgary, Edmonton, Islanders, etc.

Cherry pick all you like, I have zero faith the Sabres make it to the finals, much less win a Cup, in the next 5 years. I far, far prefer our chances.

I don't know. The Sabres have a willing owner with deep pockets and seemingly competent executive in LaFontaine overseeing things. And with these picks, they aren't all going to implode. Player development is a risky, inexact science but I'd take the guy with the more tickets 90% of the time.

 

[ThePSEGPowerPoster]

Dear Lord if we turned into Edmonton we'd have to relocate from the lack of fan support.

We don't have the loyal fanbase of an Edmonton, Chicago, Pitt, Calgary to risk sucking for 5 years, trading our known commodities for unknown commodities.

Look at what happens to teams with volatile fanbases who try your brilliant strategy - they end up in Winnipeg.

 

[Richer's Ghost]

Enroth's not that bad... but I don't know if he can get through the 2nd round of the playoffs.

 

[JerryGigantic]

I don't know. The Sabres have a willing owner with deep pockets and seemingly competent executive in LaFontaine overseeing things. And with these picks, they aren't all going to implode. Player development is a risky, inexact science but I'd take the guy with the more tickets 90% of the time.

Do they even HAVE a GM yet? That franchise is far from competent at present.

 

[ThePSEGPowerPoster]

I don't know. The Sabres have a willing owner with deep pockets and seemingly competent executive in LaFontaine overseeing things. And with these picks, they aren't all going to implode. Player development is a risky, inexact science but I'd take the guy with the more tickets 90% of the time.

Well it's certainly not that black and white. What your doing is selling your car and your house to buy more lottery tickets.

And what do you hope those tickets become? Well a car or a house.

More picks doesn't necessarily mean a bigger chance of success. I know mathematically speaking it seems that way but other teams are scouting, other teams are targeting good players, you only have a limited number of scouts you can deploy to make educated guesses on the value of some players etc...

 

[GhostofKenKlee]

I don't know. The Sabres have a willing owner with deep pockets and seemingly competent executive in LaFontaine overseeing things. And with these picks, they aren't all going to implode. Player development is a risky, inexact science but I'd take the guy with the more tickets 90% of the time.

Can't the same be said for the devils, new owners who are willing with deeper pockets?

Your dream Gm has drafting since he has been gm in St.Louis THREE players that have nhl playing time and here you are propping him up as a wunderkind.

 

[GhostofKenKlee]

Dear Lord if we turned into Edmonton we'd have to relocate from the lack of fan support.

We don't have the loyal fanbase of an Edmonton, Chicago, Pitt, Calgary to risk sucking for 5 years, trading our known commodities for unknown commodities.

Look at what happens to teams with volatile fanbases who try your brilliant strategy - they end up in Winnipeg.

I agree with that, this team cannot afford to do what people do in video games.

Pittsburgh almost didn't make it there declining attendance bankrupt owner until Sid and a few lucky lotteries there. Even that, they have what one cup for all commotion and generational talent they carry?

 

[Tundra]

Can't the same be said for the devils, new owners who are willing with deeper pockets?

Your dream Gm has drafting since he has been gm in St.Louis THREE players that have nhl playing time and here you are propping him up as a wunderkind.

Armstrong is easily a top 5 GM in the NHL since coming from Dallas, where he plucked an unknown named Jamie Benn in the 6th round. St. Louis used to be a doormat in the West until Pleau and then Armstrong revitalized them via the draft as well as some key trades. Meanwhile, our friend Lou, longing for better days is at best a GM in the 13-18 range, if you examine his recent body of work.

 

[ThePSEGPowerPoster]

Armstrong is easily a top 5 GM in the NHL since coming from Dallas, where he plucked an unknown named Jamie Benn in the 6th round. St. Louis used to be a doormat in the West until Pleau and then Armstrong revitalized them via the draft as well as some key trades. Meanwhile, our friend Lou, longing for better days is at best a GM in the 13-18 range, if you examine his recent body of work.

Top 5 GM? Team is a joke?

Does not compute.

 

[GhostofKenKlee]

Armstrong is easily a top 5 GM in the NHL since coming from Dallas, where he plucked an unknown named Jamie Benn in the 6th round. St. Louis used to be a doormat in the West until Pleau and then Armstrong revitalized them via the draft as well as some key trades. Meanwhile, our friend Lou, longing for better days is at best a GM in the 13-18 range, if you examine his recent body of work.

it's getting better add more straws there the water is getting deeper. Some would argue the doormat days ended when they hired Hitchcock who installed a system, something that is a part of the archaic GM's playbook.

So wait, you have to go back to his Dallas tenure and come up with that nugget. Way to open yourself up there. How great was his tenure in Dallas?

How about this Lou in that era, signed Clarkson as an undrafted player.


DAL

2001–02
32 13 11 7 1 (90) 4th in Pacific - - - Missed Playoffs

DAL

2002–03
82 46 17 15 4 99 2nd in Pacific 6 6 .500 Lost in Second Round (ANA)

DAL

2006–07
82 41 26 13 2 97 2nd in Pacific 1 4 .200 Lost in First Round (COL)

DAL

2005–06
82 53 23 — 6 112 1st in Pacific 1 4 .200 Lost in First Round {COL)

DAL

2006–07
82 50 25 — 7 107 3rd in Pacific 3 4 .428 Lost in First Round {VAN)

DAL

2007–08
17 7 7 — 3 (97) 3rd in Pacific - - - Fired Mid-Season


Sound logic and land you stand on there. Top 5 is totally subjective and his tenure in St. Louis is nothing impressive but build your pedestal for him.

 

[Mory Schneideur*]

For every islander perennial rebuild there is a situation like Chicago or St. Louis. Secondly, this almost unhealthy obsession with Lou Lamiorello as if he's the only qualified hockey mind to run the New Jersey Devils in a vastly different NHL environment than he originally thrived in, is puzzling at best.

You call being 2 wins away from the SCF, landing the lopsided biggest trade in a decade (Kovy), winning the Kovy sweepstakes, getting Cory freaking Schneider, drafting Parise, drafting players like Henrique & Larson, winning the division thoughout the 2000s not thriving?

 

[CerebralGenesis]

him scoring 2 garbage goals does not mean that calling him up was a good idea.

if you drive blindfolded but manage to get home safely, it does not mean it was a good idea.

holy ****

 

[DEVILS ALL THE WAY*]

Too much credit is being given to Lou based on the majority of our posters being "blindly in love" with the team.

He made some solid moves, there's no denying that but as of late and looking towards the future, he ****ed up more often then not.

The majority of this board will live and die with Lou Lamoriello and I can respect that mainly for what he's done in the past. With that said, I'm all about the present and the future... and all I can see is dark days ahead.

People bring up the names of Scott Stevens and Martin Brodeur as key players we resigned who had the chance to hit the market. What's that, like ****ing 15 years ago ?!?!?! Brodeur took a home team discount in order for Lou to ice the best possible team at the time. Are we forgetting that it took wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too long for him to ink Marty months ago? Elias stayed because we matched a offer from another team and woke up a monster by handing out a NTC to secure his rights. Since then, Lou has handed NTC/NMC like it was no one's business and looks more like a last ditched effort in order to get what he wants more then anything else and it's backfired more often then not.

I've said this 100x now, every legend will start declining and Lou's no different. It happend to "The great one", it's happening with Brodeur and Lou's on the decline as well, it's just a fact of life.... good things always comes to a end at some point and at 71 years of age and the game being different then it was 3 decades ago, it's called nothing else but evolution.

I'll never deny what the man did for this organisation but at some point, you have to move on from someone that manages their team as if we were still in the 1980's. We won't be able to be the power house we once were by adding "average" talent threw free agency since most teams who do have stud players are all finding ways to keep them, except us.... and if they do bolt from mediocre teams, New Jersey isn't option #1 for anyone unless they get offered 100M$.

The truth hurts, I know, but that's life.

 

[devilsblood]

Too much credit is being given to Lou based on the majority of our posters being "blindly in love" with the team.

He made some solid moves, there's no denying that but as of late and looking towards the future, he ****ed up more often then not.

The majority of this board will live and die with Lou Lamoriello and I can respect that mainly for what he's done in the past. With that said, I'm all about the present and the future... and all I can see is dark days ahead..

So your not excited about our young defensemen? I know we have to sign Schneid's, but between those aspects that is a very solid foundation.

 

[DEVILS ALL THE WAY*]

So your not excited about our young defensemen? I know we have to sign Schneid's, but between those aspects that is a very solid foundation.

I am actually very excited about the promising talent we have on our blueline but that's about it.

I'm not confident at all that we'll resign Schneider for reasons I've already said earlier (pending stud UFA from NJ = will resign elsewhere) and our offense doesn't look promising AT ALL.

Our best players are 41 and 38 years of age. Our youngsters are looking very average at best and if we can't score, we won't win. Just look at all the great games we've screwed up for Schneider. If we had a offense that was capable of scoring at least 2 goals a game, we would've won half of the games Schneider "lost"... threw no fault of his own BTW.