Management Is it time for Delaware North to give the Golden Parachute to Cam Neely?

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It is well-documented that Neely was the driving force behind Cassidy's firing in 2022 and the signing of Mitchell Miller.

We all know Montgomery will get another chance in the NHL and so will Don Sweeney if he was fired.

Would any NHL team hire Cam if he was fired in Boston?...............not likely

Ever look at the closing credits of Behind The B?

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smithformeragent

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It is well-documented that Neely was the driving force behind Cassidy's firing in 2022 and the signing of Mitchell Miller.

We all know Montgomery will get another chance in the NHL and so will Don Sweeney if he was fired.

Would any NHL team hire Cam if he was fired in Boston?...............not likely

Ever look at the closing credits of Behind The B?

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What does he even do?

PR? Face of the franchise?

Won’t appear on the highest rated afternoon drive radio show on the club’s flagship station.
 
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smithformeragent

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Say you want to bring an outsider to service the hockey czar and hire their own general manager?

Who are your candidates?

Say Cam goes, but the good old boys network continues.

Who do you go with next?

Bourque? Would he want it?

Chara?

Bergeron?
 

DKH

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Like to see complete overhaul

In the spirit of the day name a new President and GM with someone who has no idea or clue.

Charlie Jacobs played in a weekday beer league with his buddies

Name a few of them and let’s rebuild

Celtics picked
2014 - 6th
2016 - 3rd
2017- 1st

We need to really suck and Cam & Donny who have a 107.7 points over last 10 years can’t do this

We need someone who can get us in the 50’s

Let’s go !!!!
 
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UncleRico

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Say you want to bring an outsider to service the hockey czar and hire their own general manager?

Who are your candidates?

Say Cam goes, but the good old boys network continues.

Who do you go with next?

Bourque? Would he want it?

Chara?

Bergeron?

Personally I’d like to see a former Bruin as the president and and outsider as GM
 
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smithformeragent

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If it’s anything like my organization, the president should be in charge of the dog and pony show, probations, playing golf, and kissing babies.

The general manager should be given the keys to running the ship.

Do we get the sense that ownership was happy with Cam’s execution of the centennial?
 

BruinDust

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I'd like to see the Bruins completely dismantle their entire front office and pro scouting staff. Coaches too (except Bob of course).

And recruit the best young minds from across the hockey world to coach, scout, and manage this franchise. No more former Bruins (Quaider can stay though). Sorry to any local university alumni, but just because you played or coached at BU/BC/Harvard/Providence College/etc. shouldn't give you an inside track either. I don't want the keys handed to Chara or Bergeron just because they were great players.

Neely's fingerprints are all over this franchise. Every off season he pushes Sweeney to rectify and react to what Neely perceives as the Bruins issues. Whether that is firing coaches, pursuing free agents, trading away players. And it usually always leads to mistakes. Always reactive, never proactive. And never patient.

Sweeney is a smart guy but he talks out of both sides of his mouth to the press like a politician. Thing is we'll never know which moves are moves he pushed for, and which are Neely's. Fact is, he's had trouble acquiring top players during his tenure. His best players (for the most part) came from previous regimes, that's just a fact.

Scott Bradley is like a parasite, that nugget in the toilet you just can't seem to flush. I can't comprehend how he's lasted this long. If there are two constants across this franchise in my time as a fan now 34 years. 1) it's they've always leaned more towards natural physical gifts like height/weight, big guys who skate well, etc. than they have towards hockey sense or hockey IQ in their trades/signings/drafting, and 2) Scott Bradley as a key employee in the front office. This trend predates Neely and Sweeney. Bradley is the constant across these eras. Does it mean he's to blame for this mindset? I don't know.

I don't know much about Langenbrunner other than they made a point to waste a draft pick on his kid.

Evan Gold is supposedly strong in manipulating the salary cap so maybe he has some usefulness still.

The pro scouting group has been an abomination for years. Who exactly recommended the likes of Max Jones and Mark Fraser? They need better pro scouts and more of them.
 

DKH

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He must go. His hockey philosophy is stuck in 1975 and it shows in his ridiculous decisions and backwards thinking.
107.7 points average last 10 years is trash

I’m with you for once

we need skill - we need top 5 picks

Florida picked twelve times in first half of the draft over 15 years including 1,2, and 3

Who’s got the stomach for this besides me and you !!!!!

Let’s go!!!!!

Trades are fun

Cheap tickets and no waiting at TD Garden bathrooms is fantastic

Blow it up !!!!!!
 

Morris Wanchuk

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I dont think they win a cup in 2011 without Neely up Chiarelli's ass after the "Most days in 1st place" comments the year before. So for that I will forever be grateful.

However, he has let Sweeny assemble some soft ass teams under his watch. Very NCAA driven, one line, PP specialists.

BUT I think Charlie takes comfort that he has in Neely/Sweeney like his dad had in Harry. Heck, I bet Harry still calls in to check in on things. So I dont think they will be fired any time soon.
 

Babajingo

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107.7 points average last 10 years is trash

I’m with you for once

we need skill - we need top 5 picks

Florida picked twelve times in first half of the draft over 15 years including 1,2, and 3

Who’s got the stomach for this besides me and you !!!!!

Let’s go!!!!!

Trades are fun

Cheap tickets and no waiting at TD Garden bathrooms is fantastic

Blow it up !!!!!!
I'm in. it's a Yin Yang thing. Experience some down times, to make the good times better.
Besides its fun seeing some good prospects evolve. I'd rather experience that than late draft picks and trades for 30 somethings.
 

DKH

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I'm in. it's a Yin Yang thing. Experience some down times, to make the good times better.
Besides its fun seeing some good prospects evolve. I'd rather experience that than late draft picks and trades for 30 somethings.
All in or all out (rebuild)

Middle sucks
 

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The problem with management is they get decent picks but if they underperform they give up on the player to only see that same player go to another team and have great numbers. Blake Wheeler, Tyler Seguin just to name a few. I hope they recall Matt Poitras back because that becomes worrisome about his future. I still think Poitras is very talented he makes plays and is a magnet for the puck. Why did the Bruins not send Coyle down as well?? Look at Coyle's numbers and Geekie both terrible and if you look at the entire roster all the players seem to be playing worse. Here is hoping the Bruins can turn it around but as always time will tell.
 

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KDP with a good read IMO:



Yes, indeed, something had to give, and on Tuesday that was Jim Montgomery, another Bruins coach kicked down Causeway St., leaving it now to Joe Sacco to cobble together what he can from the misfitting, misfiring parts he’s inherited here a quarter of the way into the season.

No one should be surprised. Montgomery, following two brilliant regular seasons as bench boss, including a record-setting run of 65-12-5 in his first year, clearly couldn’t come up with an answer to shake the club out of an 8-9-3 death march.

Coaches are paid for wins and providing solutions. When out of both, the unemployment bell tolls.

So much of what we have witnessed this season, though, is more about roster composition than how Montgomery failed to deliver, come up with solutions. We can question Montgomery’s cooking, but as they’ve been wont to say for years now in Foxborough, he didn’t buy the groceries.

GM Don Sweeney and team president Cam Neely forked out $84.25M in July for free agents Elias Lindholm and Nikita Zadorov, positioning them as the featured members of a roster sprucing up that could make the Bruins capable of slipping by the Panthers if they should meet for a third consecutive time in the playoffs.

Not . . . even . . . close. It looked like the Panthers, faster and tougher and more driven from the puck drop, were playing in another league last spring. Winter is upon us. That has not changed, the sun rises and sets in Sunrise and not the old West End.

To date, both Lindholm and Zadorov have not returned even pennies on the dollar. They have been painful reminders of unrestricted free agent busts of the past, such as Neely-Sweeney hires Matt Beleskey and David Backes . . . and if we want to go way back, prior to the Sweeney-Neely administration, the risible, worn-out, no-hope likes of Paul Coffey and Alexei Zhamnov.

The Monty magic was gone. He is outta here, not without reason. He certainly looked overmatched at times in the three playoff series (1-2) he oversaw. For the better part of the last two weeks, his team turned into the Stepford Black-and-Gold, a shapeless, unfocused bunch that Monday night, against the bottom-feeding Blue Jackets, again looked flat-out in a trance, dead on double runners.

The low point, the one that tied the toe tag on Montgomery, was the pair of shorthanded goals the Blue Jackets stuffed down their sweaters en route to a humbling 5-1 defeat. It was the third straight loss on home ice (0-1-2), their faithful left booing at the first intermission with the motley CBJ already in control of a comfy 3-0 lead.

Here’s the thing about those boos. They’re heard loud ‘n’ clear 450 miles west in Buffalo, where team owner Jeremy Jacobs knows the perils of not keeping the customer satisfied. The boos can convert overnight to empty seats, a devalued product.

A quick look on line Monday afternoon had Loge 8 tickets for the CBJ game being offered up at $20 a pop–upward of a 90 percent discount from what season ticket holders pay when investing in their full-season package. It’s also about what Jacobs charges for a draft beer at Garden concessions. Painful Jacobsnomics.

The Bruins, the Garden, and surrounding real estate development, including the $65 charge to park at Bruins-Celts game, have become a Jacobs/Delaware North diamond mine through the decades. Bruins hockey has been the gemstone at the center of it all. In the scheme of things, tossing the coach overboard to help preserve that core is a mere bottle cap removed from another pricey tallboy at the concession stands

It’s now on Sacco to find the answer and in a hurry, lest the ex-BU forward, and faithful assistant, is the next to get the heave-ho. At the current pace (pay no attention to the whacky math of the NHL standings), that 8-9-3 will leave the Bruins with 78 points at season’s end. That’s a dog that doesn’t hunt for the Stanley Cup in the spring. It’s one designated for a water bowl and cage across town at Angell Animal Medical Center.

If Sacco is equally stymied to find an answer, which is the challenge Bruce Cassidy met and overcame when he took over the bench from Claude Julien in February 2017, it will point hard truths the way of Neely and Sweeney.

Because if a new coach can’t find an answer, we’ll be left to conclude it’s the parts that are at fault —the parts put in place here in the wake of the departures of Tuukka Rask, Zdeno Chara, Patrice Bergeron, and David Krecji. Those four provided elite skill and talent at the three key positions: goal, defense, and center. They defined Bruins culture.

Now, going on six years since that core and culture led to Game 7 of the Cup Final, the talent level is many degrees south of a bona fide Cup run.

Maybe Jeremy Swayman can be a franchise tender. But he’s not there yet. Thus far this season, he’s been more backup than cornerstone.

Charlie McAvoy, paid and touted as the franchise defenseman, again this season has remained short of the billing. How long is it going to take? McAvoy can skate. He can move the puck. He can hit when the spirit moves him. But, boy, he has trouble figuring out when and where to shoot, and that critical offensive piece is a big part of filling the No. 1 D’man role that’s been defined for him.

If Sacco can get that out of McAvoy, that could get the coffee pot perking. Montgomery never got him there. He also needs to help David Pastrnak restore some lightning in his stick.

In the Bergeron/Krejci spirit of things, looking for at least one pivot to help define the top-six forward assembly, there’s no there there right now.

Many nights it has been hard to tell if Elias Lindholm is in the lineup. Pavel Zacha is not the guy. Charlie Coyle was the league’s best No. 3 center when Bergeron and Krejci were still in house, and he did an OK job moving up last season, but he is best suited as the No. 3 workhorse who can move up in a pinch.

It is a franchise, having lost 12 of 20 games to date, certainly in need of a new approach right now. McAvoy and Pastrnak need reframing. Sacco might have the secret sauce. We’ll find out soon enough.

If not, then we’re left to say Neely and Sweeney, along with Executive Son Charlie Jacobs, equally failed to reshape and fortify what was an excellent, entertaining product across the years 2010-20. It will be left for them to answer for what’s happened since.
 
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The day Bergy is assistant GM I will fist pump like a lunatic. That man has all the tools to me.
 

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