Post-Game Talk: Is it a cruel irony that PDO was created by an Oilers fan?

[Drivesaitl]

Yup, they’re even going back to last year’s playoffs trying to plead their case. Laughable

Doesn't it show limited basis? Several of his backers go back to the Skinner streak last season to defend him. Anytime he has a good game they'll be bleating on like he's Tretiak. "Wheres the haters now" lol.

 

[TB12]

Aww, now quoting stats upsets you? You were a big fan on your last one, what happened?

Giving you context so you can wrap your head around the fact that the Oilers win games in spite of their goaltending, not because of it.

Like.

 

[foshizzle]

Yeah. Attribution isn't a strong point for some posters here. In fairness the media and telecasts here sing falsehood as well. Last year it was the Skinner legend winning streak (had little to do with him) and the Skinner W record. Year later all those peeps are silient on it. Now its somebody else is the reason Skinner is underperforming and losing. The one poster has 50posts in the thread blaming others for Skinners game last night.

It beggars belief that people don't detect that the biggest flaw in the Oilers roster is goaltending. Its the salient variable that prevents the Oil being better.

And what blows my mind is the analytics and data points show this too. Skinner defenders literally have have nothing to point to as evidence. Nothing

 

[Drivesaitl]

Skinner has been downright bad for several stretches this season but Pickard has played like 12/15 of his games against absolute doormats. His toughest 2 starts were NJ and a busted MIN team. His typical opponents are the likes of ANA, NSH, CHI, etc., etc., with no appreciable difference in counting stats relative to Skinner. It is wild to say Pickard has been better, full stop. His point% is right in line (I think actually slightly below) our point% against bottom half-of-the-league teams. Which makes sense, because that contingent of teams makes up the vast majority of his starts.

I am all for upgrading the position (better backup or 1A/1B to push Skinner makes sense) but the move is not to start playing Pickard more than Skinner.

As for last night's game, Skinner definitely muffed a goal which is unfortunately not an unusual occurrence. I continue to worry about the team's lack of finish as well. But as I've stated many times this is a good team and with some luck and health we should have a long run again. I mean, if Drai and Kane aren't shells of themselves due to injury in the Finals last season we are all still happily hungover.

These are NHL clubs in a cap league that strives to have parity either through reverse draft or game management. Theres no automatic wins in the league anymore. You have to show up. Pickard has faced Minny twice, jersey, Had to come in against Winnipeg to mop up and has played Montreal who are in a playoff spot. In anycase Pickard is cleaing up in these games. Among his starts when the Oilers have actually scored a goal (not get shutout) Pickard is 11-2. he's hardly blown any result all season. He also played Columbus to 3 goals. The same club that set Stuart Skinner on fire pumping in 6 goals.

To wit Skinner has lost as many games to non playoff clubs than Pickard has.

Sure Skinner is getting tougher starts. he's not exactly doing great with that. He's lost to Van, Pitts, CBJ, CGY. he got blown out of the rink by Pitt and CBJ.

More than a dozen of the W's that Skinner does have are against teams that are out of a playoff spot. 13 to be exact. 13 of Skinners wins (he only has 18 total) are against clubs currently out of playoffs.

Not everything is as you make it. Skinner has a losing record against playoff clubs. Skinner is around 5W 7L 3OT against playoff clubs this season.

Finally, its misleading to categorize games as easy or hard and for example only 5pts separates 8 teams that are fighting for two WC spots in the east. The teams are hardly differentiated, they are basically the same level of difficulty. In the east particularly parity has arrived in spades. its basically Washington, and then everybody else.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

I'm not a big Skinner hater but that game yesterday made me dislike him haha. I haven't got bothered by any losses this season more than last night, should have won that game going away.

The Caps basically went 3 for 3 on scoring chances. That shit just can't happen and it's happened too much with Stu this season.

Exactly how I feel. Yesterday was a turning point for me with him. I’ve given him enough grace.

I’m not saying he can’t be part of the solution, but he can only be PART of the solution. I no longer have faith he can get it done on his own.

 

[guymez]

Thompson saved like 5 chances equal to the third goal. Yeah. It was a decent opportunity. Nothing more. I already said the first goal was a good one. Second goal was abhorrent. And the third goal was a save he needs to make. Especially after stinking up the second goal.

Again...absolutely no mention of all the rebound chances leaked by Thompson.
If the pathetic Oilers secondary scoring could have capitalized on even one of all those rebounds its a completely different game.
Of course the only thing that matters is Skinner...correct?

 

[Dirty Mind]

The Oilers are riding it out with Skinner because if they didn’t to them it would seem like admitting that they made a mistake drafting him.

He is not a starter an NHL franchise serious about winning a Cup(s) rides with. Pride/ego is why they don’t actively search for other options and it’s already cost them twice.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Its 2024. Nobody cares. He's had several yrs to look and play like even a semblance of a #1 goalie and he wants this gig. He doesn't improve at much but here we are.

Because you don’t throw players into the fire regardless of position. Management failed this team.

 

[Dirk Dangler]

Again...absolutely no mention of all the rebound chances leaked by Thompson.
If the pathetic Oilers secondary scoring could have capitalized on even one of all those rebounds its a completely different game.
Of course the only thing that matters is Skinner...correct?

I’m sorry, I thought we were having a discussion about skinner.

I haven’t watched enough of Thompson to really comment on his goaltending. In last nights game he did indeed knock out some rebounds. He also tracked the puck extremely well out of those rebounds and had the balance, explosiveness, and high level athletic ability to make the rebound save multiple times. If that’s his bad game, then I’d hate to play against him when he has a good one.

 

[foshizzle]

So a goalie can’t have a bad game?

And a .912 is pretty good for 2.6 million. And to you his stats in games 5,6, and 7 (prior to game seven of the final) in last year’s playoffs mean nothing in his ability to win a cup?
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You just discount everything cause you hate the player. You also like I did pointed out his numbers are getting better after the start of the year when the whole team was bad. And yes Skinners was on said team and has gotten better and is still improving.

The team has to get to games 4-7. And that stat is false. Skinner lost game $ last year to Florida. They lost to Vegas in 6. So find an actual source and link it

Basically anybody here is saying that if we had even an average #1 then our record would be stellar. To wit when the Oilers have even got .900 save % out of goalies this season they are winning almost all those games.

Holding consistency? This is pretty much illusion as well. When the Oilers spend weeks to months hardly allowing scoring chances Skinner is adequate. As it is even shots from the point, really any of them that get through are dangerous with Skinner in net. Just one of the so many things that he's crap at.

Skinner is not a mid level starter. You'd have to be dim to think that. It’s an "absurd" take.

Skinner defenders trying to cherry pick stats now

 

[Tobias Kahun]

The team has to get to games 4-7. And that stat is false. Skinner lost game $ last year to Florida. They lost to Vegas in 6. So find an actual source and link it


Skinner defenders trying to cherry pick stats now

If you remove all of Skinners bad games, hes a good goalie!

 

[GMofOilers]

Not my fault Skinner only gets a 900 save if the Oilers play perfect hockey. He’s a fraud. He’s actually the worst goalie in the league.

Put him in Chicago or the Sharks he has a .700 at best and is not playing in the NHL

 

[oobga]

Sub .900 3/5 games vs LA
Sub .900 4/5 games vs VAN
Good against Dallas
Sub .900 3/7 games against FLA (including game 1 where we outshot Florida 32-18 and lost, sound familiar)

We had the 2nd best goaltender in 3/4 series, including in Vancouver where they were icing a Latvian AHLer

For real. If McDavid and Bouch didn't both put up once in 30 year playoff production, we are looking at this team very differently this year, and we're all a hell of a lot angrier. We likely don't get past Vancouver.

So many things in that playoff run were on the tier of a miracle and perfect star alignment. Even Knob, every single adjustment he made worked out instantly, except Nurse+Ceci in game 1 of the finals of course, lol. Almost all weaknesses in the team were covered up by insane performances by a handlful of guys, and magic coaching tweaks. But reality slapped us in the end. One of the biggest reasons we ran out of gas in the finals was weak goaltending extending that Canucks series, and let the Canucks do a lot of damage that caught up to us.

Holding out to see what moves Bowman makes at the deadline, but goaltending remains a massive wildcard that can derail everything.

 

[Oilhawks]

For real. If McDavid and Bouch didn't both put up once in 30 year playoff production, we are looking at this team very differently this year, and we're all a hell of a lot angrier. We likely don't get past Vancouver.

So many things in that playoff run were on the tier of a miracle and perfect star alignment. Even Knob, every single adjustment he made worked out instantly, except Nurse+Ceci in game 1 of the finals of course, lol. Almost all weaknesses in the team were covered up by insane performances by a handlful of guys, and magic coaching tweaks. But reality slapped us in the end. One of the biggest reasons we ran out of gas in the finals was weak goaltending extending that Canucks series, and let the Canucks do a lot of damage that caught up to us.

Holding out to see what moves Bowman makes at the deadline, but goaltending remains a massive wildcard that can derail everything.

And yet, not even a whisper that the Oilers are considering a goaltending move. I think there was a tiny squeak of noise at the start of the season, but now it seems like they're satisfied.

Blast all the assets for a top 4D or bust, damn a goalie upgrade or any additional forward depth (though I see them spending too much for a 4C for the 3rd year in a row or whatever)

 

[K1984]

Basically anybody here is saying that if we had even an average #1 then our record would be stellar. To wit when the Oilers have even got .900 save % out of goalies this season they are winning almost all those games.

Holding consistency? This is pretty much illusion as well. When the Oilers spend weeks to months hardly allowing scoring chances Skinner is adequate. As it is even shots from the point, really any of them that get through are dangerous with Skinner in net. Just one of the so many things that he's crap at.

Skinner is not a mid level starter. You'd have to be dim to think that. Its an "absurd" take.

Good thing Skinner has been north of .900 for the last 3 months like “everyone is saying.”

 

[Drivesaitl]

Good thing Skinner has been north of .900 for the last 3 months like “everyone is saying.”

Skinner is .899 on the season and his longest run of .900 games in a row this season has been 6games. On this team he should be getting that vast majority of games. Many of the shots he see's are not even scoring attempts. Teams dump everything at him hoping for a rebound.

I guess you accept mediocrity. I don't.

Oilers defend better than any team I've been seeing in the league. Allow hardly any HDSC. Still Skinner with mediocre stats.

 

[Drivesaitl]

For real. If McDavid and Bouch didn't both put up once in 30 year playoff production, we are looking at this team very differently this year, and we're all a hell of a lot angrier. We likely don't get past Vancouver.

So many things in that playoff run were on the tier of a miracle and perfect star alignment. Even Knob, every single adjustment he made worked out instantly, except Nurse+Ceci in game 1 of the finals of course, lol. Almost all weaknesses in the team were covered up by insane performances by a handlful of guys, and magic coaching tweaks. But reality slapped us in the end. One of the biggest reasons we ran out of gas in the finals was weak goaltending extending that Canucks series, and let the Canucks do a lot of damage that caught up to us.

Holding out to see what moves Bowman makes at the deadline, but goaltending remains a massive wildcard that can derail everything.

Up and down toilet lid Skinner is a proverbial bomb that can go off any time and does several times a season. 2 versions of him one that plays composed if the Oilers are playing perfect hockey in front of him and limiting everything. On the nights or even periods that the Oilers are not sharp opponents rattle off 3 or more goals in first period if the team doesn't come out sharp. As I've stated often most teams have goalies that let in maybe 1 or 2 goals if the team is playing lousy. They keep their club in the games. Even tonight Kuemper saves his team from two uninspired periods where they had nothing going, only allows 1 goal despite the Panthers having the run of play, and Kings play one period and win 2-1. When do we ever get that?

Trouble with all this is that goaltending as suspect as ours eventually tires out a club. Even this season after a long postseason you can see several players sucking air already. Guys like Hyman, Nuge several others all having fall off seasons and this made worse because the team has to work incredibly hard not to allow anything as our #1 is so suspect in net. Other clubs can lay down for games and still get some results. They can rest for a week and let goalies mop up everything. This team never gets that kind of break.

 

[guymez]

I’m sorry, I thought we were having a discussion about skinner.

I haven’t watched enough of Thompson to really comment on his goaltending. In last nights game he did indeed knock out some rebounds. He also tracked the puck extremely well out of those rebounds and had the balance, explosiveness, and high level athletic ability to make the rebound save multiple times. If that’s his bad game, then I’d hate to play against him when he has a good one.

All I was suggesting is that those rebounds were very abundant and it created multiple opportunities for the Oilers.
If their secondary scoring wasnt so pitiful then this disciussion would be moot. The would have won the game.

That said I do agree with you that Thompson was tracking the puck very well. Something I would like to see Skinner improve. I am left wondering why the goalie coaches havent prioritized that element of his game.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Skinner was good against LA, VERY good against Dallas, and acceptable against Florida. He's also the sole reason the Oilers didn't sweep Vancouver.

That's what you get with the guy. Peaks and valleys.

Ha. The refs were the sole reason. Did you miss the trip on Nurse or did you take a pee break?

 

[foshizzle]

How are the Oilers not running away with the Presidents trophy….i think you all know why…

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

How are the Oilers not running away with the Presidents trophy….i think you all know why…

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Hockey is played on the ice, not Excel. Advanced stats are nice but they don't tell the whole story. What determines an expected goal? Do blocked shots add to that category? Why does our bottom six not score more than once every five games or so? Why does the data vary depending on the source?

I mean according to this, Ottawa is better than Winnipeg and Toronto. I don't think anyone on the planet would agree with that idea.

 

[TB12]

I’m sorry, I thought we were having a discussion about skinner.

I haven’t watched enough of Thompson to really comment on his goaltending. In last nights game he did indeed knock out some rebounds. He also tracked the puck extremely well out of those rebounds and had the balance, explosiveness, and high level athletic ability to make the rebound save multiple times. If that’s his bad game, then I’d hate to play against him when he has a good one.

I like goalies that give out rebounds. Means they made the first save. Which is more than some can say about certain oiler goalies.

Only half kidding.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

How are the Oilers not running away with the Presidents trophy….i think you all know why…

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all this tells me is that the Oilers lack finishers

 

[TB12]

For real. If McDavid and Bouch didn't both put up once in 30 year playoff production, we are looking at this team very differently this year, and we're all a hell of a lot angrier. We likely don't get past Vancouver.

So many things in that playoff run were on the tier of a miracle and perfect star alignment. Even Knob, every single adjustment he made worked out instantly, except Nurse+Ceci in game 1 of the finals of course, lol. Almost all weaknesses in the team were covered up by insane performances by a handlful of guys, and magic coaching tweaks. But reality slapped us in the end. One of the biggest reasons we ran out of gas in the finals was weak goaltending extending that Canucks series, and let the Canucks do a lot of damage that caught up to us.

Holding out to see what moves Bowman makes at the deadline, but goaltending remains a massive wildcard that can derail everything.

Like.

 

[CupofOil]

Exactly how I feel. Yesterday was a turning point for me with him. I’ve given him enough grace.

I’m not saying he can’t be part of the solution, but he can only be PART of the solution. I no longer have faith he can get it done on his own.

Agreed, he's taken a sizeable step back this season and while he's played better as of late up until the last 2 games, his down moments have been too frequent.

I still have visions of the guy that outplayed Oettinger and Bobrovsky at times in the last two series last season, a guy that has had average to above average save percentages the last two season but there's also the guy that almost cost them the Vancouver series and the guy that has crapped the bed far too often this season so it's making it harder and harder to get on board with him being the true undisputed #1 guy on a Cup run.

I still do believe you can win a Cup with Stu mainly because the team in front of his is that good and all he needs to do is just be big in net and stop the stoppable shots but I'm not liking what I'm seeing from him this season at all. They need a goalie that is at least an upgrade on Pickard to push him and that can be depended upon if he shits the bed in the playoffs but it appears that the team is married to the Skinner/Pickard tandem so all this talk of adding a goalie just seems fruitless.
Regardless, even though I'm still sticking with him as a capable goalie because he's had plenty of good moments the prior two seasons I can understand why others don't feel the same.