Post-Game Talk: Is it a cruel irony that PDO was created by an Oilers fan?

[TopShelfGloveSide]

How about three months?

I mean on the season obviously and this is isn’t even true. (I don’t think)

 

[oXo Cube]

Arguably the best goalie in the world (Hellebyuck) doesn't even have that W%.

And before the inevitable "but if he was on the Oilers!!!" argument - the Jets outpace the Oilers in expected goals, only have 3 less real goals in one less game, and are only 3 goals worse in total expected goals against. They're very much in the ballpark of the same team so far this year.

If our demand is that Skinner should be the best goalie in the league then great. It isn't reasonable, but sure. If the demand is that he's good enough to get us wins, then he's already there. The next step is building consistency and not sliding for weeks on end or totally cratering. The last week or so has smelled like the start of a slide, let's see how he manages it.

Saying "any #1" should just have a .800 W% on the Oilers is absurd. The current results reflect a mid-level ish starter, which is what he is.

??? All strengths the Jets are 10 xGF and 17xGA behind us. Good for a goal differential swing of 27. They're literally our opposite. Mediocre team carried by elite goaltending.

Of course, expecting Skinner to play at Hellebuyck's level isn't reasonable so the rest of your post is fine but yeah. We're way better than the Jets.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Wow, just wow. So you expect .930 and the oilers to sweep every series?

The only problem he had last year was the Canuck’s series. I think you need to look for some reality…

Sub .900 3/5 games vs LA
Sub .900 4/5 games vs VAN
Good against Dallas
Sub .900 3/7 games against FLA (including game 1 where we outshot Florida 32-18 and lost, sound familiar)

We had the 2nd best goaltender in 3/4 series, including in Vancouver where they were icing a Latvian AHLer

 

[K1984]

I mean on the season obviously and this is isn’t even true.

Yes, it's actually very true.

Total of the past 3 months = .907

January = .909

December = .913

November = .898

Short of going back in time such that he doesn't fall on his face in October so that his total year stats could be closer to your liking, I'm not sure what he's supposed to do here.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Sub .900 3/5 games vs LA
Sub .900 4/5 games vs VAN
Good against Dallas
Sub .900 3/7 games against FLA (including game 1 where we outshot Florida 32-18 and lost, sound familiar)

We had the 2nd best goaltender in 3/4 series, including in Vancouver where they were icing a Latvian AHLer

If he was the second best goalie against the Kings we're history. Unless you think Big Save Dave was better?
You guys really need to look at more data than just the sv%. I remember that game 1 where we were in control and the infamous Nurse/Ceci pairing coughed up a couple of freebies late in the game.

But I do want to point out something to the bolded. The Oilers have this uncanny ability to just not score. Like almost as if they were trying not to score. No question that Bob was amazing that game but you still need to find a way. How many times over the years have we heard the phrase "We got goalie'd"? At some point you have to question the scorers and how nobody besides McDavid and Draisatl seem to step up at any given time.

Man I think back to that Jets series and how we were goalie'd by Hellebuyck. And then the inferior Habs swept them like it wasn't even a problem. And we lost to a dumpster fire in the Blackhawks.... Sometimes it's more than just "The Oilers got goalie'd".

 

[K1984]

??? All strengths the Jets are 10 xGF and 17xGA behind us. Good for a goal differential swing of 27. They're literally our opposite. Mediocre team carried by elite goaltending.

Of course, expecting Skinner to play at Hellebuyck's level isn't reasonable so the rest of your post is fine but yeah. We're way better than the Jets.

My fault on the expected goals, fat fingers.

In any case, they still only have 3 more total goals than them while putting up similar xGA metrics (5v5). Oilers are creating the chances, but not doing anything with them. Feeds more fuel to the "it's the Oilers finisher's fault" narrative (that I don't agree with) that some folks use to absolve Skinner if anything.

 

[CROTT]

Sub .900 3/5 games vs LA
Sub .900 4/5 games vs VAN
Good against Dallas
Sub .900 3/7 games against FLA (including game 1 where we outshot Florida 32-18 and lost, sound familiar)

We had the 2nd best goaltender in 3/4 series, including in Vancouver where they were icing a Latvian AHLer

You’re really over selling Talbot and Silovs, Talbot wasn’t good, Silovs maybe had two good games.

And Bob was below .900 in three games of the final and in three games of round one against the Lightning.

Sound Familiar….

 

[Mez]

After last night Thomspon is the est goalie in the league.

 

[FiveFourteenSixOne]

You’re really over selling Talbot and Silovs, Talbot wasn’t good, Silovs maybe had two good games.

And Bob was below .900 in three games of the final and in three games of round one against the Lightning.

Sound Familiar….

Bob literally STOLE the first two games of the SCF. How many f***ing games did Sewer Skinner steal?

 

[frag2]

That 2nd goal was pathetic. If SKinner just drops into a butterfly, where he already was, it just hits his pad. He doesn't even attempt to drop until it's too late. I don't even know what he was doing.

Neither did Stu

 

[guymez]

Look over the player? Bouchard had the player so he wasn’t in the eyes of the goalie.

Bouchard had the player...lol
What exactly was Bouchard doing? I dont even think he knows.

The Oilers have the sixth lowest goals against in the NHL with Skinner getting the bulk of the starts and not getting to play almost strictly bottom ten teams like Pickard does. And after every loss its the same old song and dance, even some times after a win that the Oilers need a better goalie...

I hear you.
Its making these PGT threads almost unreadable.

 

[guymez]

Logan Thompson is 22-2-3 with a .925 SV% and #1 in the NHL in goals saved above expected. He's averaging saving a goal against every single game better than the numbers expect him to. The Caps are succeeding because of him. The Oilers are succeeding in SPITE of their goaltending.

What does any of this have to do with last nights game and how leaky he was with rebounds?

To be fair, Protas is 6’6 230lbs and extremely strong on his skates. There’s maybe 5 defenders in the NHL that would have a hope of clearing him from the crease. That’s a situation where you need your goalie to fight through the screen for a sight line.

I have watched it numerous times now. Bouchard didnt do nearly enough on that play.
Honestly I have no freaking idea what he was trying to do there.
He couldnt have possibly been more passive with the Caps player.

Hyperbole. A .786 save percentage in a game your team dominated is unacceptably bad.

The sv% doesnt always paint an accurate picture.
You know that right?

 

[tardigrade81]

I'm not disagreeing, just sharing my thoughts from the coaches' perspective, they like Pickard, but they don't trust him completely

Yup agreed. Hopefully Skinner catches fire again.

 

[Mr Positive]

I hear you.
Its making these PGT threads almost unreadable.

As someone who believes that we need to address goaltending, I do agree that it is a bit over the top but that's just what happens when a huge chunk of the fanbase feels a certain way and everyone feels the desire to express themselves. It just naturally leads to piling on and going overboard. Ultimately these boards are for fan entertainment and it is our right.

My advice to any player is to not engage with social media at all. But, there is hope that management takes notice

I saw that the defense of Skinner involves pointing out that Pickard is getting easier opponents. I have time for that point. My ideal outcome involves keeping Skinner actually. I want Pickard as the #3 (yes, I don't want him gone either). We need a tandem goalie to play with Skinner, and truly share the workload. That may give us better results, and at the very least it will give us important context about Skinner. Right now we have no one to really compare him to. We just have stats that show that our goalie numbers aren't where they "should" be

 

[guymez]

As someone who believes that we need to address goaltending, I do agree that it is a bit over the top but that's just what happens when a huge chunk of the fanbase feels a certain way and everyone feels the desire to express themselves. It just naturally leads to piling on and going overboard. Ultimately these boards are for fan entertainment and it is our right.

My advice to any player is to not engage with social media at all. But, there is hope that management takes notice

I saw that the defense of Skinner involves pointing out that Pickard is getting easier opponents. I have time for that point. My ideal outcome involves keeping Skinner actually. I want Pickard as the #3 (yes, I don't want him gone either). We need a tandem goalie to play with Skinner, and truly share the workload. That may give us better results, and at the very least it will give us important context about Skinner. Right now we have no one to really compare him to. We just have stats that show that our goalie numbers aren't where they "should" be

I agree.
The team needs a true tandem 1 A/B goalie along with Skinner. Its not that I dont like Pickard its just that IMO the team needs a goalie who can elevate to be a short to medium term #1 if necessary.
They dont have that right now and its clear Knoblauch beleives that as well.

 

[Dirk Dangler]

What does any of this have to do with last nights game and how leaky he was with rebounds?


I have watched it numerous times now. Bouchard didnt do nearly enough on that play.
Honestly I have no freaking idea what he was trying to do there.


The sv% doesnt always paint an accurate picture.
You know that right?

I do know that quite well actually. And I give skinner props when he’s playing well.

You do realize that the sv% showed exactly what was going on last night though, right? Every decent opportunity went right through stu. I have absolutely no issue with the two on one goal. That was really well executed. The other two were soft. And he was beat cleanly on a few more that luckily didn’t end up in the net. He was not tracking the puck at all. Was not square to the play. Had a terrible give away. And put up a .786 on a night where his team dominated.

I was hoping he had gotten in the groove and we were going to get some sort of consistent goaltending out of him. But he’s been off again for the last number of games. Not good enough to win the cup.

You can however mark me down as someone who would rather keep him and bring in someone else as a 1a. He just should not be relied on as the starter yet. And better not be getting a starters salary when he’s renewed.

 

[guymez]

I do know that quite well actually. And I give skinner props when he’s playing well.

You do realize that the sv% showed exactly what was going on last night though, right? Every decent opportunity went right through stu. I have absolutely no issue with the two on one goal. That was really well executed. The other two were soft. And he was beat cleanly on a few more that luckily didn’t end up in the net. He was not tracking the puck at all. Was not square to the play. Had a terrible give away. And put up a .786 on a night where his team dominated.
I was hoping he had gotten in the groove and we were going to get some sort of consistent goaltending out of him. But he’s been off again for the last number of games. Not good enough. Period.

Decent opportunity? You are really suggesting that the first and 3rd goals were 'decent' opportuniies?
That really takes away from everything else you posted.

 

[Dirk Dangler]

Decent opportunity? You are really suggesting that the first and 3rd goals were 'decent' opportuniies?
That really takes away from everything else you posted.

Thompson saved like 5 chances equal to the third goal. Yeah. It was a decent opportunity. Nothing more. I already said the first goal was a good one. Second goal was abhorrent. And the third goal was a save he needs to make. Especially after stinking up the second goal.

 

[Messrules11]

His fan club will shrug and blame everyone else

Yup, they’re even going back to last year’s playoffs trying to plead their case. Laughable

 

[Drivesaitl]

Arguably the best goalie in the world (Hellebyuck) doesn't even have that W%.

And before the inevitable "but if he was on the Oilers!!!" argument - the Jets outpace the Oilers in expected goals, only have 3 less real goals in one less game, and are only 3 goals worse in total expected goals against. They're very much in the ballpark of the same team so far this year.

If our demand is that Skinner should be the best goalie in the league then great. It isn't reasonable, but sure. If the demand is that he's good enough to get us wins, then he's already there. The next step is building consistency and not sliding for weeks on end or totally cratering. The last week or so has smelled like the start of a slide, let's see how he manages it.

Saying "any #1" should just have a .800 W% on the Oilers is absurd. The current results reflect a mid-level ish starter, which is what he is.

Basically anybody here is saying that if we had even an average #1 then our record would be stellar. To wit when the Oilers have even got .900 save % out of goalies this season they are winning almost all those games.

Holding consistency? This is pretty much illusion as well. When the Oilers spend weeks to months hardly allowing scoring chances Skinner is adequate. As it is even shots from the point, really any of them that get through are dangerous with Skinner in net. Just one of the so many things that he's crap at.

Skinner is not a mid level starter. You'd have to be dim to think that. Its an "absurd" take.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

So the caps are a good team, fast and big, but I was left, at the end of the game, thinking they're going to get exposed in series. Feels a bit like the nucks last year

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Why even play with a goalie if it’s not his fault he can’t stop unscreened wristers from the point.

Let’s instead blame the defender who didn’t allow protas into Stuart’s eyes as the shot was being taken

 

[Drivesaitl]

He's not even supposed to be the starter. It's just that the guy who was supposed to be the solution did so poorly he's not even in the NHL anymore.

Its 2024. Nobody cares. He's had several yrs to look and play like even a semblance of a #1 goalie and he wants this gig. He doesn't improve at much but here we are.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Decent opportunity? You are really suggesting that the first and 3rd goals were 'decent' opportuniies?
That really takes away from everything else you posted.

You’re the one tossing blame at everyone but skinner on that second goal.

Did you see that attempt at a butterfly? Was straight embarrassing.

 

[Drivesaitl]

So a goalie can’t have a bad game?

And a .912 is pretty good for 2.6 million. And to you his stats in games 5,6, and 7 (prior to game seven of the final) in last year’s playoffs mean nothing in his ability to win a cup?
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You just discount everything cause you hate the player. You also like I did pointed out his numbers are getting better after the start of the year when the whole team was bad. And yes Skinners was on said team and has gotten better and is still improving.

When you have no logical reply just label those your arguing with haters. Thats always top level convincing. The above you should know are team stats. Its testament to how much the Oilers team in front of Skinner shuts it down with series on the line. It has little to do with Skinner beign great or anything.

Can't have a bad game? Skinner has more bad games in playoffs than vast majority of contender starters.

This season Skinner is rocking a pathetic .908 save % in EV play. That puts him around 48th in goalies this season in that stat. Not good. Factor in that the Oilers have been a dominant machine at EV and it makes those numbers seem worse.

You’re the one tossing blame at everyone but skinner on that second goal.

Did you see that attempt at a butterfly? Was straight embarrassing.

Stop being hfhivemind!

Seems like the Skinner defenders don't look at his form or mechanics at all. I wonder sometimes if they actually watch the games. You can't watch Skinner for even 10 games and come out of that with the impression he has average NHL skills or ability. He isn't close to the standard in NHL goalies in movement, skill sets, form, mechanics.