Post-Game Talk: Is it a cruel irony that PDO was created by an Oilers fan?

[Zguy370]

Those people live in an alternate reality.

Earlier in this thread, someone asked which goal he was at fault for. I said this one, and he replied with "DURRR HE WAS SCREENED".

Oh yeah, dumbass???? Look at this clip, and try to make that excuse now.

It is inexcusable to get beat clean like he was on this goal.

The Oilers NEED an upgrade in net. With average quality goaltending this team is way up in the standings.

Instead Sewer Skinner keeps shitting the bed and costing the team points.

Don't even bother with that poster, continuously looking for excuses to defend Stu. Sounds like it may be Mrs. Skinner, his wife or mother

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Florida played an extremely tight defensive game once they had the lead.

Skinner gave them the lead.

We're not re-litigating this again, there were multiple errors, the team didn't score. We f***ing hate it, can we stop reliving it as if we complain loud enough it will change? Like be upset of the lack of stability now, but leave that shit alone.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Florida played an extremely tight defensive game once they had the lead.

Skinner gave them the lead.

The GWG was scored at about the 35 minute mark of the game. Lots of time before and after to generate offense that they failed to generate in 3 of the 4 losses to the Panthers.

 

[OilerTyler]

Florida played an extremely tight defensive game once they had the lead.

Skinner gave them the lead.

If a one goal deficit midway through the second period is too much for one of the best offences in the league to come back from then we should just pack it up right now. Don't forget the Oilers also had time to get the lead for themselves but once again our offence didn't show up.

No one on here seriously thinks this is a team built from the goalie out, do they? Take a look at our pay structure. If our strategy to win the finals was to have to hold Florida to one goal or less to win games (which would've had to happen for us to win games 1, 2 or 7) we were doomed from the start. I don't think any team has ever won a series where they have scored one goal or less in three separates games. It's especially impossible when you are playing a team with an offence as good as Florida's.

Most people on here would've been ecstatic if they were told that Skinner would only give up 2 goals in game 7 (and 2.33 goals per game in the finals). Those are usually winning numbers against Florida's offence...but you need to score goals to win. Absolving our star players of any blame when they are the bread and butter of this team is ridiculous. They were invisible in 3 of the games including game 7.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

If a one goal deficit midway through the second period is too much for one of the best offences in the league to come back from then we should just pack it up right now. Don't forget the Oilers also had time to get the lead for themselves but once again our offence didn't show up.

No one on here seriously thinks this is a team built from the goalie out, do they? Take a look at our pay structure. If our strategy to win the finals was to have to hold Florida to one goal or less to win games (which would've had to happen for us to win games 1, 2 or 7) we were doomed from the start. I don't think any team has ever won a series where they have scored one goal or less in three separates games. It's especially impossible when you are playing a team with an offence as good as Florida's.

Most people on here would've been ecstatic if they were told that Skinner would only give up 2 goals in game 7 (and 2.33 goals per game in the finals). Those are usually winning numbers against Florida's offence...but you need to score goals to win. Absolving our star players of any blame when they are the bread and butter of this team is ridiculous. They were invisible in 3 of the games including game 7.

In the last two losses Leon Draisatl has been responsible for 100% of the offense. The depth needs to produce otherwise this team won't go far. We already know what happens when the team doesn't get from the bottom two (or three in this case) lines.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Florida played an extremely tight defensive game once they had the lead.

Skinner gave them the lead.

So their off the hook then?

 

[CupofOil]

This could apply to about half the board. The team is still good, but management will likely prevent them from reaching the promised land.

Well, they were within 1 goal of winning a Cup last season and are battling for top seed this season so, again, it's not that bad.

There are concerns of course but it's a cap league, every single team has concerns.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I’m terrfied (again) of going into the playoffs with our starter. I won’t talk crap about him but he’s simply not an NHL-level goalie, sort of like the same way Dallas Eakins isn’t an NHL-level coach. Like Eakins, Skinner could thrive in a lower league but not the NHL.

An .894 SV% might have cut it in 1984 - but even in 1984 it’s possible the Oilers could have lost with an .833 SV% like Skinner had in the Canucks series. I firmly believe the Oilers win the last two Cups with a .900 SV% which shouldn’t be a humongous ask.



Not only that but play near-perfect team defense like killing 30+ straight penalties and limiting the opposition to 12 shots. That is NOT sustainable and frankly I’m still amazed they were able to kill off so many penalties. That kind of run is extremely rare and can’t be counted on a consistent basis.

What kills with Skinner is the fact that you either get great goaltending (LA and DAL) or outright dog water (VAN. Plus LA and LV the year before). There's little in-between and no indication a mood shift is coming. (Though I guess his finals were fine. Perhaps the only series where he's actually been just average)


Imo a big reason why he's struggled to take a step forward over the last year and a half is because he doesn't get a chance to take a step back and fix things. He's their starter and there's no time to let him work on/through things in practice. Just be ready to go for tomorrow and hope he can wing it.
Case in point, games 4 and 5 vs. Vancouver are the only time Pickard has started b2b games for the Oilers.


I'd be willing to bet if they managed to get him into a proper tandem workload, where he can have a week off to work on things, then we'd see a far more consistent Skinner. Because honestly, I have seen enough there to believe he has a legit starter potential (Dubnyk/Talbot level), but he needs time to properly stu. (ba-dum-tish)

 

[Mr Positive]

If a one goal deficit midway through the second period is too much for one of the best offences in the league to come back from then we should just pack it up right now. Don't forget the Oilers also had time to get the lead for themselves but once again our offence didn't show up.

No one on here seriously thinks this is a team built from the goalie out, do they? Take a look at our pay structure. If our strategy to win the finals was to have to hold Florida to one goal or less to win games (which would've had to happen for us to win games 1, 2 or 7) we were doomed from the start. I don't think any team has ever won a series where they have scored one goal or less in three separates games. It's especially impossible when you are playing a team with an offence as good as Florida's.

Most people on here would've been ecstatic if they were told that Skinner would only give up 2 goals in game 7 (and 2.33 goals per game in the finals). Those are usually winning numbers against Florida's offence...but you need to score goals to win. Absolving our star players of any blame when they are the bread and butter of this team is ridiculous. They were invisible in 3 of the games including game 7.

It's hard to really know how good or bad Skinner really is as long as we keep going with him or Pickard. Maybe if we added someone with decent stats, they would explode here. We do have one of the best defensive systems in the league. A .915 save percentage might be the bare minimum of acceptable play. Or maybe the new goalie would end up worse than Skinner. There might be something subtle that stats don't capture. Maybe the team is a burden on Skinner and not the other way around.

Even with teams who even win the cup, they aren't as married to their goalies as we are to ours. There seems to be endless faith in Skinner here. Other teams are trying out different goalies when the stats are bad. We ride it out

And yes there is this pay structure. But it seems management is really amped to add depth scoring like Arvidsson and Jeff Skinner, and try interesting things like a 4th rounder for Podkolzin.

Even in D they spent the time and assets to do the Ceci-Emberson swap, as well as pushing for Klingberg, and heck even signing Josh Brown.

Goaltending? Crickets. No thought. No time. No analysis. No assets or cap available. Certainly no adjustment or effort. No results

 

[Lacaar]

Been an issue for a fairly large number of games. Only thing the media brings up is the defense which has been pretty great the whole year.

Because it's all we know how to discuss.
Hell I don't even know what to say about the Oiler forwards?

Why don't they score more?
Why do they need 99.5% on the deserve o'meter to BARELY win a hockey game.
How do you consistently lose hockey games with 80% on it.

This is a fantastic hockey team that I'm scared to death is going to goalie'd like no f***ing team ever has in existence come playoff time.
They're terrible.. brutal.... AHL level shooters. It's like we're watching the old nintendo game and our team is all the skinny skilled guy. Has the puck all the time, generates tons of chances, lots of shots. But if you're not deeking the pants off the goalie it's not going in... muffins.

Seriously beyond Draisitl I can't think of a player on the team this year that is having a good year scoring wise. and not from a lack of chances. McDavid included.
I guess Kulak.

To keep it light I did see the nacho thing pop up in the media on Perry's goal. I had a chuckle. I guess that's our new strategy to get our muffins through. Nobody but Draisitl can score unless we distract I say next game we toss one of those bobby burgers, or perhaps we should research the opposing goalies favorite foods. Would be more effective scouting than what our players may be getting because wherever we're telling our players to shoot. They either can't shoot it there or are being told the wrong things haha.

 

[McBeastMode]

Even David Ayres, the 42 year old Zamboni driver that beat the Leafs, had a better save percentage. .800 sv% to Skinner's .786 sv%.
Let that sink in...

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[tardigrade81]

So pickard next game ?

Sure, but I mean, need a save right.


How do you mean? Their offense wasn't great tonight, they didn't push hard enough for better opportunities. Stu was flat out not good enough, but neither was the finishing.

Especially when you have triple the shots to the opposing team and they somehow put up 4 on you on 14 friggin shots

 

[LeonDraisaitl29]

Even David Ayres, the 42 year old Zamboni driver that beat the Leafs, had a better save percentage. .800 sv% to Skinner's .786 sv%.
Let that sink in...

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Brutal.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

So pickard next game ?

Especially when you have triple the shots to the opposing team and they somehow put up 4 on you on 14 friggin shots

He would have to I think. Though, Stu is still the guy, so I won't be surprised if Knoblauch goes back to him.

 

[bobbythebrain]

No that's what Louis said. On the replay he was not in Skinner's line of sight unless Skinner wasn't looking at the guy about to shoot the puck. It was an open shot he got beat on. Very weak.

Unless the puck hits him (or the post) he is not good at tracking shots from distance.

Ok. Just saw the replay posted from a different angle. Didnt get that yesterday. Yup, that was freaking horrendous.

Thompson had a similar one w/ Henrique infront. He was able to step to the side , drop and look the shot in.

No excuse there. That was just a bad goal to give up

 

[McFlash97]

Or, you know, our highly vaunted (and highly paid) offence could've scored more than one goal.

In a 1-1 tight checking game where the next goal wins, it's the goalies job to make sure he doesn't let in the backbreaking goal.

Skinner is the King of getting outdueled.

Put in Varlamov, or Gibson, or Adin Hill and that game goes into OT. This team should be running away with the presidents trophy. Skinners the reason they aren't. How many times do you have to lick from the toilet to understand its not good for you ?

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Take it for what it's worth, but @KeithIsActuallyBad Knoblauch is also concerned about the depth scoring, given these lines.

 

[OilerTyler]

In a 1-1 tight checking game where the next goal wins, it's the goalies job to make sure he doesn't let in the backbreaking goal.

Skinner is the King of getting outdueled.

Put in Varlamov, or Gibson, or Adin Hill and that game goes into OT. This team should be running away with the presidents trophy. Skinners the reason they aren't. How many times do you have to lick from the toilet to understand its not good for you ?

It’s crazy to me that the expectations for an offence with McDavid and Draisaitl can be so low that people think the game was essentially over when we went down one goal just after the halfway mark. We’d already erased a one goal deficit earlier in the game. We’re not asking for the impossible here.

Personal insults won’t change the fact that our stars (you know, the guys that are paid big money to win us games) absolutely no showed while Skinner gave us a chance.

 

[McFlash97]

It’s crazy to me that the expectations for an offence with McDavid and Draisaitl can be so low that people think the game was essentially over when we went down one goal just after the halfway mark. We’d already erased a one goal deficit earlier in the game. We’re not asking for the impossible here.

Personal insults won’t change the fact that our stars (you know, the guys that are paid big money to win us games) absolutely no showed while Skinner gave us a chance.

Lol

It's insane that people actually think McDavid was going to score 3 points a game in that entire series and after putting up 42 just to drag the Oilers to game 7, dead tired, doing everything he can, some fans put the blame entirely on his shoulders and ignore the absolute shxxx show that was Skinner up to that point. Skinner gave us shxx. He gave us league average goaltending in that series. Nothing any other goalie would have done. I can tell you which forward didn't give us league average offense in that series.... Care to guess ?

He is the reason we don't have a cup. Straight up. Call it like it is.

 

[McShogun99]

Take it for what it's worth, but @KeithIsActuallyBad Knoblauch is also concerned about the depth scoring, given these lines.

I keep wanting to have Skinner get an extended look in the top 6 but every time he gets the chance he looks so bad. It's like his give a shit meter is zero.

 

[Mr Kot]

I keep wanting to have Skinner get an extended look in the top 6 but every time he gets the chance he looks so bad. It's like his give a shit meter is zero.

Years of losing will do that to a fella.

 

[McShogun99]

Lol

It's insane that people actually think McDavid was going to score 3 points a game in that entire series and after putting up 42 just to drag the Oilers to game 7, dead tired, doing everything he can, some fans put the blame entirely on his shoulders and ignore the absolute shxxx show that was Skinner up to that point. Skinner gave us shxx. He gave us league average goaltending in that series. Nothing any other goalie would have done. I can tell you which forward didn't give us league average offense in that series.... Care to guess ?

He is the reason we don't have a cup. Straight up. Call it like it is.

Both those goals were weak. He didn't identify Verhage in a dangerous position on the first goal and cheated for the cross ice pass on the second goal.

 

[OilerTyler]

Lol

It's insane that people actually think McDavid was going to score 3 points a game in that entire series and after putting up 42 just to drag the Oilers to game 7, dead tired, doing everything he can, some fans put the blame entirely on his shoulders and ignore the absolute shxxx show that was Skinner up to that point. Skinner gave us shxx. He gave us league average goaltending in that series. Nothing any other goalie would have done. I can tell you which forward didn't give us league average offense in that series.... Care to guess ?

Fxxx Skinner and your lame excuses man. He is the reason we don't have a cup. Straight up. Call it like it is.

Nah, you're wrong.

Skinner had downright elite numbers in the playoffs after his two game break in the Vancouver series. He was as big of a reason as anyone that we got to the finals and performed admirably in them. Especially for what he is paid.

You can make excuses for McDavid and co. all you want but you can't have your top scorers get completely shut out in a game 7. Not when we have such a top heavy pay structure. Saying the goalie lost us a game in which we only scored one goal because he couldn't put up a .952 is laughable. That's not how this team is built to win games.

The Oilers clearly agreed with me as they prioritized acquiring forward depth this off-season over improving the goaltending.

 

[TB12]

Lol

It's insane that people actually think McDavid was going to score 3 points a game in that entire series and after putting up 42 just to drag the Oilers to game 7, dead tired, doing everything he can, some fans put the blame entirely on his shoulders and ignore the absolute shxxx show that was Skinner up to that point. Skinner gave us shxx. He gave us league average goaltending in that series. Nothing any other goalie would have done. I can tell you which forward didn't give us league average offense in that series.... Care to guess ?

He is the reason we don't have a cup. Straight up. Call it like it is.

Like.

 

[McFlash97]

Nah, you're wrong.

Skinner had downright elite numbers in the playoffs after his two game break in the Vancouver series. He was as big of a reason as anyone that we got to the finals and performed admirably in them. Especially for what he is paid.

You can make excuses for McDavid and co. all you want but you can't have your top scorers get completely shut out in a game 7. Not when we have such a top heavy pay structure. Saying the goalie lost us a game in which we only scored one goal because he couldn't put up a .952 is laughable. That's not how this team is built to win games.

Tell me you watched the same playoffs all other Oiler fans watched.

Tell me your not playing the devils advocate with this take ?