Is Denmark nr 7 in the world right now?
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They had their best team in the Olympic qualification and failed miserably.
I will take Switzerland and Slovakia over them rather easily, even though Denmark does have some good forwards (plus a great goalie).
Appleyard
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They are worse on ice that they are on paper...
they had a better team than Belarus+Slovenia in quals and lost to both easily... and even had a bit of trouble with Poland.
they had a better team than Belarus+Slovenia in quals and lost to both easily... and even had a bit of trouble with Poland.
LastWordArmy
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Slovakia vs Switzerland is for number 7/8
Denmark is probably 9th, though countries like Germany and Belarus might argue.
Denmark is probably 9th, though countries like Germany and Belarus might argue.
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Eye of Ra
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Larsen, J.Jensen and O.Lauridsen are good KHLers.
Kristensen and S.Lassen is playing good in Liiga.
M.Lassen is a good SHL-defender (he is playing for my home town team).
M.Lauridsen good DEL defender.
In what way do Germany and Slovakia have better defence?
I wouldn't take this into account. Give them two weeks to practice and they would match up far fairer against the teams that rely on cohesion.
Well, you're arguing for 7th, and you just dropped Switzerland, so there goes your entire prompt.
You'd have a hard time arguing against Slovakia either, and if you did you'd be in a small minority. They have Jaros and Marincin, as well as Erik Cernak who's very solid. Then they have Meszaros, Cajkovsky, Sersen, and veterans like Dominik Granak, Ivan Svarny, and other Czech league guys who could step in as needed. So to answer your question, in every way.
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LastWordArmy
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I think you're a little bit pre-emptied.
Slovak team has more dept.
Goalies: Halak, Budaj, Godla, Rybar, Ciliak, Konrad, Laco, Hudacek ... plus young prospects ( Huska, Hrenak, Tomek) on the other side Denmark has lesser possibilities.
Defence: Sekera, Chara, Meszaros, Baranka, Granak, Cajkovsky, Jaros, Marincin, Cernak, Gernat and enough players in the Czech league with solid stats (Ceresnak, Valach, Kotvan, Mikus ...)
Offensive: Reway, Gaborik, maybe Hossa, Tatar, Panik, Dano, Cehlarik, Hrivik, Viedensky, Jurco, Hudacek, Zaborsky, Miklik, Hascak, Marcinko, Nagy, Dravecky and more like Kristof, Bubela, Paulovic, Sukel, Koys, Tybor, Mikus, Kudrna, Cingel, Pospisil ...
And Slovakia has more young prospects, especially the '98 and '99 players.
I don't disagree with the premise, as is evidenced by me arguing the point above.
But I'm amazed some fans are still under the illusion that Hossa, Chara, or Gaborik would have played. Hossa is out for the season, yes, that includes the Olympics. Chara's contract is up this year and he's stated he intends to negotiate. Gaborik hasn't had a healthy season in basically forever, including this season. Not to mention the fact that they're all well past international hockey age. It's idealistic thinking, but it's more dreaming than anything. Zaborsky is also a well known case...
Chara has a contract to negotiate. He's 40 years old. The idea that he's going to risk that to play in his 4th Olympics. Highly unlikely, there's not an agent in the world who would not be infuriated. Gaborik has been injured as recently as this season. He's been injured every year as long as anyone can remember, he has a very long history there. He's 35 now, he's not stupid. He could get hurt at any moment, as has been empirically shown, and if he's going to get hurt he's going to be making money doing it. The fact that right now, though it could realistically change within 48 hours, they are healthy doesn't mean that they would be willing to take such risks.
Maybe you know them better. Maybe they're extreme patriots who would give anything to play for their country, risk anything. But it's not nearly as simple as "healthy as I type this" = "would play".
Maybe you know them better. Maybe they're extreme patriots who would give anything to play for their country, risk anything. But it's not nearly as simple as "healthy as I type this" = "would play".
slovakiasnextone
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Yeah, I think it's quite unlikely they would be playing in the Olympics. The only place I could see them playing for the NT is the home WHC next year, but even that seems unlikely.
As for the overall gist of this thread:
- I think Switzerland currently has the best claim for that No. 7 spot if you are looking at the overall level of hockey for each country. They have had a great home league where they can grow home grown talent that can compete on international stage in years and it seems lately the biggest issue that they had which was that the top prospects would not make it into the NHL (perhaps because of lack of incentive as they preferred to play safely at home for good money). It all started with Sbisa and Josi and we are finally seeing Swiss young forwards make it into the NHL and it looks like they have even finally found their NHL offensive star. They also have the upper hand when it comes to the sheer numbers of players and hockey is popular enough in Switzerland.
That said there is still a large drop off between Canada, US, Sweden, Russia, Finland and even the Czechs (who have also improved in regards to promising young players in recent years and have all the experience and legacy on top of that). Switzerland can lose to Slovakia and Denmark at any level and it won't come as a large shock. And Slovakia can have better overall junior teams than Switzerland, like for example the 1999 class.
As for Slovakia vs. Denmark, I think that the only area that Denmark has Slovakia beat is in regards to young NHL players but even in that we might be somewhat improving (Cehlarik, Jaros and Cernak are looking like future NHLers at the moment and there are some more promising prospects). Slovakia also still has the better home league which has seen some improvement in recent years (although some might argue that there might be too many foreigners which might hurt homegrown talent in the long run) and Slovak hockey profits more from the proximity to the Czech Extraliga than Denmark profits from proximity of SHL as there are around 50 Slovak players in the Czech league any given moment.
In addition Slovakia has improved quite a lot in recent years in regards to goaltending.
And in the end, hockey is a somewhat of a niche sport in Denmark, so I don't see them coming anywhere to claiming that #7 spot unless the WC this year is a huge success and helps build the popularity of the sport.
LOL. Are you kidding me? Eye of Ra wrote their best roster. I also wrote the best roster, but slovak roster. Gaborik and Chara currently play hockey and have a contract. They certainly wanted to play at the Olypics. The next year WC will be in Slovakia, so every slovak players especially older will try to get there.
What is the case? Zaborsky did not say no. He can play hockey for repre.
Denmark is suddenly the 7th in the world. My question is Why? Slovkia regularly stays in front of Dennmark at WC, except for a few exceptions. It is similar in junior championships. Slovakia had very weak team at the last WC, without NHL/AHLers and same good players of european league.
Jumptheshark
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takes more then putting together one line up to ranked somewhere
current rankings by actual performance note grabbing single roster
Jumptheshark
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I reject the premise of the thread because it is based upon putting together a single line up via cherry picking
Ok, now I'm getting the feeling you don't follow Slovak hockey and just did some homework on EP...
And again, in case there was hardship reading, I said at the outset of my initial post that I had been the first to argue the principle but disputed some of the details...
It does not make sense to comment on your post. Your knowledge about Slovak hockey are weak. Ok, I understand. You are not slovak, but do not be the wisest.
kudla
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I have to agree with kabidjan on this one, I am pretty sure that Chara, Hossa and maybe Gaborik will never play for Slovakia anymore. My opinion is that they have already ended their NT career. And to me, they don't even seem to care
I agree. I wrote MAYBE Hossa. But Gaborik and Chara will want to play the home championship (2019). After all, it is necessary to give the young man a chance.
