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salamandra said:
It does not make sense to comment on your post. Your knowledge about Slovak hockey are weak. Ok, I understand. You are not slovak, but do not be the wisest.
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Haha, I really don't get what you're trying to say here.

People including myself were asking about Zaborsky as far back as his HIFK days and back then the divorce was made very clear to us. Now that he's struggling, and the situation to my knowledge hasn't been willfully resolved, it doesn't seem more likely. About the elders, there's a chance certainly for a future WC, depending again on what the contracts look like and if they can stay healthy between now and then. But for the Olympics at this year this time? I really doubt it.

Again, I was the first to take exception to the initial notion that Denmark was past Slovakia. But including players whose statuses are dubious doesn't make for the strongest point.
 
kabidjan18 said:
Haha, I really don't get what you're trying to say here.

People including myself were asking about Zaborsky as far back as his HIFK days and back then the divorce was made very clear to us. Now that he's struggling, and the situation to my knowledge hasn't been willfully resolved, it doesn't seem more likely. About the elders, there's a chance certainly for a future WC, depending again on what the contracts look like and if they can stay healthy between now and then. But for the Olympics at this year this time? I really doubt it.

Again, I was the first to take exception to the initial notion that Denmark was past Slovakia. But including players whose statuses are dubious doesn't make for the strongest point.
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kabidjan18 said:
Haha, I really don't get what you're trying to say here.

People including myself were asking about Zaborsky as far back as his HIFK days and back then the divorce was made very clear to us. Now that he's struggling, and the situation to my knowledge hasn't been willfully resolved, it doesn't seem more likely. About the elders, there's a chance certainly for a future WC, depending again on what the contracts look like and if they can stay healthy between now and then. But for the Olympics at this year this time? I really doubt it.

Again, I was the first to take exception to the initial notion that Denmark was past Slovakia. But including players whose statuses are dubious doesn't make for the strongest point.
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You miss the point.
 
I think Switzerland is currently no7 in the world. Slovakia has still little edge before Denmark. Although Denmark has more top end talent. But Slovakia has more depth. Especially in defence. I dont count Chara but Sekere is NHLer, Jaros, Marincin and Cernak are somwhere between NHL and AHL. Cajkovsky and Daloga are good KHLers and we have bunch of Czech extraliga defenders. In offence we have more depth too but its close.

It is really sad thinkink about it actually. 15 years ago Switzerland was miles behind us and Denmark was light years. I mean 02/03 Slovak team would be probably better than todays Czech Republic. Unreal slump. From 9 forwards above 50 points in NHL to 3 forwards regularly playing. Probably no one from todays Slovak hockey players wouldnt be in Slovak 02/03 team except goalies.
 
I think moving forward you could make an argument for Slovakia being 7th over Switzerland. That's not where the hype is, that's not where the excitement is. However, Switzerland has Hischier, but outside of that if you look at 98, 99, 00, 01. Seems like they dry up a bit in relativistic terms. I think they may go under at the WJC level the year after. If Slovakia can produce a succession of strong classes they may be back in the argument.
 
kabidjan18 said:
I think moving forward you could make an argument for Slovakia being 7th over Switzerland. That's not where the hype is, that's not where the excitement is. However, Switzerland has Hischier, but outside of that if you look at 98, 99, 00, 01. Seems like they dry up a bit in relativistic terms. I think they may go under at the WJC level the year after. If Slovakia can produce a succession of strong classes they may be back in the argument.
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True. Just to inform you, our 00, 02 and 03 classes are very weak. Then 04 looks really good (there is a 13 yo PPG kid in our U18 league) but thats far away from now
 
kudla said:
True. Just to inform you, our 00, 02 and 03 classes are very weak. Then 04 looks really good but thats far away from now
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Haha, well that's not a step in the right direction.

I'd also watch Germany. This may be because I'm more familiar with their pool but they seem to have some good talent coming up.
 
For me:
Top 6
7. Switzerland
8. Slovakia
9. Denmark(with good chances to overtake slovaks)
 
I'd say Switzerland, assuming Hischier can become a decently legit player. Meier/Fiala should improve as well.

Josi
Hischier
Meier
Fiala
Bartschi
Sbisa
Y. Weber
Andrighetto
 
Switzerland is #7.

By the way, we went from nobody getting drafted early to a 1st OA in a short 20 years or so.

And if you wonder why that is, it's because until some 25 years ago, Swiss hockey players weren't even fully pros. Excepted for the foreign players in the NLA and NLB, even the top Swiss players actually held a regular job on the side.

I remember for example that Roberto Triulzi, a guy who played 17 seasons in the NLA, won 6 championships and played 109 games for the Swiss national team, was employed back then by the same company I worked for, in the IT department to be precise. Dude would have like 3 days per working week in the company.
Imagine if a Stamkos would be working 3 days a week fixing computers...
 
If we assume #7-10 can be divvied up in such a manner between Switzerland, Slovakia, Denmark, and Germany...

I'll make a crude list of top 3s. It's meant to be corrected, that is the purpose. So if you see something you disagree with, correct it.

Slovakia 95
1. Peter Cehlarik
2. Martin Reway
3. Mislav Rosandic

Switzerland 95
1. Mirco Muller
2. Luca Fazzini
3. Michael Fora

Germany 95
1. Leon Draisaitl
2. Dominik Kahun
3. Markus Eisenschmid

Denmark 95
1. Oliver Bjorkstrand
2. Mikkel Aagard
3. Mattias Asperup

Slovakia 96
1. Christian Jaros
2. Kristian Pospisil
3. Patrik Maier

Switzerland 96
1. Kevin Fiala
2. Timo Meier
3. Pius Suter

Germany 96
1. Manuel Wiederer
2. Maximilian Kammerer
3. Stefan Loibl

Denmark 96
1. Nikolaj Ehlers
2. Matias Lassen
3. Soren Neislen

Slovakia 97
1. Erik Cernak
2. Adam Huska
3. Mario Grman

Switzerland 97
1. Denis Malgin
2. Jonas Seigenthaler
3. Damien Riat

Germany 97
1. Christoph Korner
2. Jakob Mayenschien
3. Julian Napravnik

Denmark 97
1. Matthias From
2. Alexander True
3. Morten Jensen

Slovakia 98
1. Samuel Bucek
2. Marian Studenic
3. Martin Bodak

Switzerland 98
1. Marco Miranda
2. Dominik Egli
3. Guillaume Maillard

Germany 98
1. Tobias Eder
2. Maximilian Kislinger
3. Johannes Huss

Denmark 98
1. Joachim Blichfeld
2. Jacob Schmidt-Svejstrup
3. Oliver Joakim-Larsen

Slovakia 99
1. Adam Ruzicka
2. Milos Roman
3. Martin Fehervary

Switzerland 99
1. Nico Hischier
2. Phillip Kurashev
3. Nando Eggenberger

Germany 99
1. Leon Gawanke
2. Cedric Schiemenz
3. Wojciech Stachowiak

Denmark 99
1. Jonas Rondbjerg
2. Malte Setkov
3. Lucas Andersen

Slovakia 00
1. Martin Bucko
2. Kristian Kovacik
3. Oliver Okuliar

Switzerland 00
1. Valentin Nussbaumer
2. Tim Berni
3. Davyd Barandun

Germany 00
1. Dominik Bokk
2. Taro Jentzsch
3. Yannik Valenti

Denmark 00
1. Phillip Schultz
2. Oliver True
3. Gustav Green

Slovakia 01
1. Oliver Turan
2. Matej Ilencik
3. Alex Kupka

Switzerland 01
1. Dean Schwenninger
2. Yves Stoffel
3. Silvan Landholt

Germany 01
1. Moritz Seider
2. Manuel Alberg
3. Enrico Henriquez-Morales

Denmark 01
1. Jonathan Brinkman
2. Jonas Brondberg
3. Simon Schleichler

Top 5 by year
95
1. Draisaitl
2. Bjorkstrand
3. Cehlarik
4. Muller
5. Fazzini

96
1. Ehlers
2. Fiala
3. Meier
4. Suter
5. Jaros

97
1. Cernak (my opinion, feel free to write your own...)
2. Malgin
3. Siegenthaler
4. Riat
5. From

98
1. Blichfeld
2. Bucek
3. Studenic
4. Schmidt-Svejstrup
5. Miranda

99
1. Hischier
2. Rondbjerg
3. Ruzicka
4. Gawanke
5. Kurashev

00
1. Dominik Bokk
2. Phillip Schultz
3. Valentin Nussbaumer
4. Tim Berni
5. Oliver True

01
1. Moritz Seider
2. Manuel Alberg
3. Oliver Turan
4. Jonathan Brinkman
5. Matej Ilencik

Reverse order for points. Add a point for exceptional current NHL players: Draisaitl, Bjorkstrand, Fiala, Ehlers, Hischer

Final Standings:
7. Switzerland: 35
8. Denmark: 28
9. Slovakia: 23
10. Germany: 22

This was as rudimentary as possible, but if this is true and if no other countries crash the top 10, this should somewhat resemble the 7-10 bracket maybe 4-5 years from now.
 
kabidjan18 said:
If we assume #7-10 can be divvied up in such a manner between Switzerland, Slovakia, Denmark, and Germany...

I'll make a crude list of top 3s. It's meant to be corrected, that is the purpose. So if you see something you disagree with, correct it.

Slovakia 95
1. Peter Cehlarik
2. Martin Reway
3. Mislav Rosandic

Switzerland 95
1. Mirco Muller
2. Luca Fazzini
3. Michael Fora

Germany 95
1. Leon Draisaitl
2. Dominik Kahun
3. Markus Eisenschmid

Denmark 95
1. Oliver Bjorkstrand
2. Mikkel Aagard
3. Mattias Asperup

Slovakia 96
1. Christian Jaros
2. Kristian Pospisil
3. Patrik Maier

Switzerland 96
1. Kevin Fiala
2. Timo Meier
3. Pius Suter

Germany 96
1. Manuel Wiederer
2. Maximilian Kammerer
3. Stefan Loibl

Denmark 96
1. Nikolaj Ehlers
2. Matias Lassen
3. Soren Neislen

Slovakia 97
1. Erik Cernak
2. Adam Huska
3. Mario Grman

Switzerland 97
1. Denis Malgin
2. Jonas Seigenthaler
3. Damien Riat

Germany 97
1. Christoph Korner
2. Jakob Mayenschien
3. Julian Napravnik

Denmark 97
1. Matthias From
2. Alexander True
3. Morten Jensen

Slovakia 98
1. Samuel Bucek
2. Marian Studenic
3. Martin Bodak

Switzerland 98
1. Marco Miranda
2. Dominik Egli
3. Guillaume Maillard

Germany 98
1. Tobias Eder
2. Maximilian Kislinger
3. Johannes Huss

Denmark 98
1. Joachim Blichfeld
2. Jacob Schmidt-Svejstrup
3. Oliver Joakim-Larsen

Slovakia 99
1. Adam Ruzicka
2. Milos Roman
3. Martin Fehervary

Switzerland 99
1. Nico Hischier
2. Phillip Kurashev
3. Nando Eggenberger

Germany 99
1. Leon Gawanke
2. Cedric Schiemenz
3. Wojciech Stachowiak

Denmark 99
1. Jonas Rondbjerg
2. Malte Setkov
3. Lucas Andersen

Slovakia 00
1. Martin Bucko
2. Kristian Kovacik
3. Oliver Okuliar

Switzerland 00
1. Valentin Nussbaumer
2. Tim Berni
3. Davyd Barandun

Germany 00
1. Dominik Bokk
2. Taro Jentzsch
3. Yannik Valenti

Denmark 00
1. Phillip Schultz
2. Oliver True
3. Gustav Green

Slovakia 01
1. Oliver Turan
2. Matej Ilencik
3. Alex Kupka

Switzerland 01
1. Dean Schwenninger
2. Yves Stoffel
3. Silvan Landholt

Germany 01
1. Moritz Seider
2. Manuel Alberg
3. Enrico Henriquez-Morales

Denmark 01
1. Jonathan Brinkman
2. Jonas Brondberg
3. Simon Schleichler

Top 5 by year
95
1. Draisaitl
2. Bjorkstrand
3. Cehlarik
4. Muller
5. Fazzini

96
1. Ehlers
2. Fiala
3. Meier
4. Suter
5. Jaros

97
1. Cernak (my opinion, feel free to write your own...)
2. Malgin
3. Siegenthaler
4. Riat
5. From

98
1. Blichfeld
2. Bucek
3. Studenic
4. Schmidt-Svejstrup
5. Miranda

99
1. Hischier
2. Rondbjerg
3. Ruzicka
4. Gawanke
5. Kurashev

00
1. Dominik Bokk
2. Phillip Schultz
3. Valentin Nussbaumer
4. Tim Berni
5. Oliver True

01
1. Moritz Seider
2. Manuel Alberg
3. Oliver Turan
4. Jonathan Brinkman
5. Matej Ilencik

Reverse order for points. Add a point for exceptional current NHL players: Draisaitl, Bjorkstrand, Fiala, Ehlers, Hischer

Final Standings:
7. Switzerland: 35
8. Denmark: 28
9. Slovakia: 23
10. Germany: 22

This was as rudimentary as possible, but if this is true and if no other countries crash the top 10, this should somewhat resemble the 7-10 bracket maybe 4-5 years from now.
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You are missing Maxim Cajkovic who is currently the best Slovak 01 player and probably has one of the highest potentials of the Slovak players listed.

Additionally one could easily make an argument that Matej Paulovic is the 3rd player among 1995 borns.

Also, I don't think it makes much sense to take 3 players per each year, because you don't have to have that kind of balance on the men's NT. Slovakia has more depth in 98 and 99 and it's far likelier that those players will play for the men's NT than say the 2000 borns.
 
slovakiasnextone said:
You are missing Maxim Cajkovic who is currently the best Slovak 01 player and probably has one of the highest potentials of the Slovak players listed.
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Ah yes. With this correction it would be Denmark 27, Slovakia 26, Germany 21,

Also, I don't think it makes much sense to take 3 players per each year, because you don't have to have that kind of balance on the men's NT. Slovakia has more depth in 98 and 99 and it's far likelier that those players will play for the men's NT than say the 2000 borns.[/QUOTE]
It's very rudimentary in nature, not meant to be perfect. However, this shouldn't be a great concern either. The system only award points for gamechangers. It's unlikely that a single class will have more than three gamechangers. If a class is weak, sample names will be listed in the individual nation section but points may not be awarded once it comes to the gamechangers section if the class is not up to par with classes from other nations. Ultimately, points will still only be received for the strong classes. The problem is with only 4 nations, if there are simultaneous weak years there could inevitably still be some imbalance. For instance, 96 as a whole is much stronger than 97 as a whole, but awarded the same 5 point scale. That's why I added the bonuses for strong NHL players. However, that doesn't quite work for the 00, 01 group...
 
The trouble with this system is that these nations are at a level where the overall depth matters more than the numbers of game changers.

Denmark has had the game changers for a while now, but they don't have the results to prove it. Switzerland on the other hand managed very good results for years even without the game changers.
 
kabidjan18 said:
If we assume #7-10 can be divvied up in such a manner between Switzerland, Slovakia, Denmark, and Germany...

I'll make a crude list of top 3s. It's meant to be corrected, that is the purpose. So if you see something you disagree with, correct it.

Slovakia 95
1. Peter Cehlarik
2. Martin Reway
3. Mislav Rosandic

Switzerland 95
1. Mirco Muller
2. Luca Fazzini
3. Michael Fora

Germany 95
1. Leon Draisaitl
2. Dominik Kahun
3. Markus Eisenschmid

Denmark 95
1. Oliver Bjorkstrand
2. Mikkel Aagard
3. Mattias Asperup

Slovakia 96
1. Christian Jaros
2. Kristian Pospisil
3. Patrik Maier

Switzerland 96
1. Kevin Fiala
2. Timo Meier
3. Pius Suter

Germany 96
1. Manuel Wiederer
2. Maximilian Kammerer
3. Stefan Loibl

Denmark 96
1. Nikolaj Ehlers
2. Matias Lassen
3. Soren Neislen

Slovakia 97
1. Erik Cernak
2. Adam Huska
3. Mario Grman

Switzerland 97
1. Denis Malgin
2. Jonas Seigenthaler
3. Damien Riat

Germany 97
1. Christoph Korner
2. Jakob Mayenschien
3. Julian Napravnik

Denmark 97
1. Matthias From
2. Alexander True
3. Morten Jensen

Slovakia 98
1. Samuel Bucek
2. Marian Studenic
3. Martin Bodak

Switzerland 98
1. Marco Miranda
2. Dominik Egli
3. Guillaume Maillard

Germany 98
1. Tobias Eder
2. Maximilian Kislinger
3. Johannes Huss

Denmark 98
1. Joachim Blichfeld
2. Jacob Schmidt-Svejstrup
3. Oliver Joakim-Larsen

Slovakia 99
1. Adam Ruzicka
2. Milos Roman
3. Martin Fehervary

Switzerland 99
1. Nico Hischier
2. Phillip Kurashev
3. Nando Eggenberger

Germany 99
1. Leon Gawanke
2. Cedric Schiemenz
3. Wojciech Stachowiak

Denmark 99
1. Jonas Rondbjerg
2. Malte Setkov
3. Lucas Andersen

Slovakia 00
1. Martin Bucko
2. Kristian Kovacik
3. Oliver Okuliar

Switzerland 00
1. Valentin Nussbaumer
2. Tim Berni
3. Davyd Barandun

Germany 00
1. Dominik Bokk
2. Taro Jentzsch
3. Yannik Valenti

Denmark 00
1. Phillip Schultz
2. Oliver True
3. Gustav Green

Slovakia 01
1. Oliver Turan
2. Matej Ilencik
3. Alex Kupka

Switzerland 01
1. Dean Schwenninger
2. Yves Stoffel
3. Silvan Landholt

Germany 01
1. Moritz Seider
2. Manuel Alberg
3. Enrico Henriquez-Morales

Denmark 01
1. Jonathan Brinkman
2. Jonas Brondberg
3. Simon Schleichler

Top 5 by year
95
1. Draisaitl
2. Bjorkstrand
3. Cehlarik
4. Muller
5. Fazzini

96
1. Ehlers
2. Fiala
3. Meier
4. Suter
5. Jaros

97
1. Cernak (my opinion, feel free to write your own...)
2. Malgin
3. Siegenthaler
4. Riat
5. From

98
1. Blichfeld
2. Bucek
3. Studenic
4. Schmidt-Svejstrup
5. Miranda

99
1. Hischier
2. Rondbjerg
3. Ruzicka
4. Gawanke
5. Kurashev

00
1. Dominik Bokk
2. Phillip Schultz
3. Valentin Nussbaumer
4. Tim Berni
5. Oliver True

01
1. Moritz Seider
2. Manuel Alberg
3. Oliver Turan
4. Jonathan Brinkman
5. Matej Ilencik

Reverse order for points. Add a point for exceptional current NHL players: Draisaitl, Bjorkstrand, Fiala, Ehlers, Hischer

Final Standings:
7. Switzerland: 35
8. Denmark: 28
9. Slovakia: 23
10. Germany: 22

This was as rudimentary as possible, but if this is true and if no other countries crash the top 10, this should somewhat resemble the 7-10 bracket maybe 4-5 years from now.
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In my opinion Roman and Fehervary are better than Ruzicka. Health Reway is better than Fazzini or Cehlarik. Cajkovic is the best slovak prospect (01). True and Berni are not so good. SUI has better players than Berni. Malgin is better than Cernak .... etc.
 
salamandra said:
In my opinion Roman and Fehervary are better than Ruzicka. Health Reway is better than Fazzini or Cehlarik. Cajkovic is the best slovak prospect (01). True and Berni are not so good. SUI has better players than Berni. Malgin is better than Cernak .... etc.
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Absolutely, feel free to tabulate with your opinions.

In my opinion Roman and Fehervary are overrated, I like Roman but he's not near Ruzicka, he's simply more flashy because he's more of a skater/playmaker. Healthy Reway hasn't been a thing for years and it was bad attitude Reway before then. He's in the KHL now, he turns 23 next week so he can still turn things around. He's got a long way to improve, and is about one serious injury away from never making it. My opinion has changed on him many times, but recently it has more consistently been "see it before I believe it." If it comforts you my 6th was Davyd Barandun. I'm very low on Nico Gross if that's who you're thinking of. Or are you thinking of Gilian Kohler? Kohler had great linemates at Biel the season before that really buffed up his stats. Gross is your star child of the Zug academy. I have a bad taste in my mouth about the way some Swiss clubs will fast track some players, giving the appearance of great statistics but not the reality of excellence. I may have a personal bias for GCK, but I think Berni is simply a better offensive defenseman than Barandun even if Barandun plays more physically. I think Malgin is the product of Swiss hype and WJC hype. I've just never really been impressed with him as a player, he doesn't jump off the page...Cernak at least I think you could get a good stay-at-home defender of. If I am wrong, I am likely totally, categorically and catastrophically wrong. But he won't be a top 6 forward next year, and he doesn't fit the profile of a bottom 6 either. I see him bouncing around and ending up a playmaker and a star at home...
 
kabidjan18 said:
Absolutely, feel free to tabulate with your opinions.

In my opinion Roman and Fehervary are overrated, I like Roman but he's not near Ruzicka, he's simply more flashy because he's more of a skater/playmaker. Healthy Reway hasn't been a thing for years and it was bad attitude Reway before then. He's in the KHL now, he turns 23 next week so he can still turn things around. He's got a long way to improve, and is about one serious injury away from never making it. My opinion has changed on him many times, but recently it has more consistently been "see it before I believe it." If it comforts you my 6th was Davyd Barandun. I'm very low on Nico Gross if that's who you're thinking of. Or are you thinking of Gilian Kohler? Kohler had great linemates at Biel the season before that really buffed up his stats. Gross is your star child of the Zug academy. I have a bad taste in my mouth about the way some Swiss clubs will fast track some players, giving the appearance of great statistics but not the reality of excellence. I may have a personal bias for GCK, but I think Berni is simply a better offensive defenseman than Barandun even if Barandun plays more physically. I think Malgin is the product of Swiss hype and WJC hype. I've just never really been impressed with him as a player, he doesn't jump off the page...Cernak at least I think you could get a good stay-at-home defender of. If I am wrong, I am likely totally, categorically and catastrophically wrong. But he won't be a top 6 forward next year, and he doesn't fit the profile of a bottom 6 either. I see him bouncing around and ending up a playmaker and a star at home...
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Ok, it si very good answer from you. Roman played better on the last two WJC and WC U18 and was much more important than Ruzicka. Let yourself be surprised about Roman and Fehervary skills.
 
salamandra said:
Ok, it si very good answer from you. Roman played better on the last two WJC and WC U18 and was much more important than Ruzicka. Let yourself be surprised about Roman and Fehervary skills.
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It's absolutely possible. I do have a preference for power forwards, but that by no means produces the correct results all the time.
 
kabidjan18 said:
Absolutely, feel free to tabulate with your opinions.

In my opinion Roman and Fehervary are overrated, I like Roman but he's not near Ruzicka, he's simply more flashy because he's more of a skater/playmaker. Healthy Reway hasn't been a thing for years and it was bad attitude Reway before then. He's in the KHL now, he turns 23 next week so he can still turn things around. He's got a long way to improve, and is about one serious injury away from never making it. My opinion has changed on him many times, but recently it has more consistently been "see it before I believe it." If it comforts you my 6th was Davyd Barandun. I'm very low on Nico Gross if that's who you're thinking of. Or are you thinking of Gilian Kohler? Kohler had great linemates at Biel the season before that really buffed up his stats. Gross is your star child of the Zug academy. I have a bad taste in my mouth about the way some Swiss clubs will fast track some players, giving the appearance of great statistics but not the reality of excellence. I may have a personal bias for GCK, but I think Berni is simply a better offensive defenseman than Barandun even if Barandun plays more physically. I think Malgin is the product of Swiss hype and WJC hype. I've just never really been impressed with him as a player, he doesn't jump off the page...Cernak at least I think you could get a good stay-at-home defender of. If I am wrong, I am likely totally, categorically and catastrophically wrong. But he won't be a top 6 forward next year, and he doesn't fit the profile of a bottom 6 either. I see him bouncing around and ending up a playmaker and a star at home...
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Fehervary is overrated, doubt he will ever touch NHL ice, but Roman could be special. Ruzicka is who i am concerned about the most. His points could be misleading because he plays with the best OHL player in one line and without him, he struggles.
 
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