Is David Pastrnak the best scorer in the league?

[Gerulaitis]

Bold move to post this thread round about the same time Ovechkin breaks Gretzky's record -- gotta give you props for being so ballsy.

Oh yeah, a 28 year old Pastrnak finished with 43 goals in the same season a 39 year old Ovechkin also had 43 goals in only 64 games (55 goal pace).

So, a big fat "NO" is my answer to your question.

Sic !

 

[Score8]

Bold move to post this thread round about the same time Ovechkin breaks Gretzky's record -- gotta give you props for being so ballsy.

Oh yeah, a 28 year old Pastrnak finished with 43 goals in the same season a 39 year old Ovechkin also had 43 goals in only 64 games (55 goal pace).

So, a big fat "NO" is my answer to your question.

Ovi is a net hanging, one trick pony, fat old man.

 

[Brookbank]

This again ? Best in the league ? No.

 

[RDTBay4]

Kucherov and Hagel rarely play together.

 

[Killakirillthethrill]

Pasta is nastier then prime Kovalchuk !

 

[PensandCaps]

Morgan Geekie having 30 goals in his last 50 games is wild to me.

 

[wintersej]

Ovechkin scored 50 goals and 100+ points playing with Chris Clark.

Linemates generally don't seem to matter that much in hockey. You might get a 10 point boost with better linemates but guys generally seem to score what they deserve.

The PP is the problem. No Backstrom or Carlson or Oshie or Wilson or Chychrun or Green or whatever plethora of PP talent that has always been in Washington.

 

[MessierII]

No but he’s unbelievable

 

[22Brad Park]

Pastrnak would score alot of goals with McDavid

 

[Aashir]

give him a marner/panarin these past 3 years and I think he would've hit 130+.

 

[24 others]

Probably not the best scorer in the league, but the gap between him and 2nd place on the Bruins (Geekie) is insane - also keep in mind that majority of Geekie's points come from being on a line with Pastrnak, so... yeah, the Bruins are pretty much a one-man show.

 

[RussianBum86]

David Pastrnak has 106 points this season, 43 goals and 63 assists, on a VERY terrible Bruins team.
He has very little help, in fact, the 2nd place Bruins point player is Morgan Geekie with 53 pts.
Everyone else in the scoring leader list has a teammate on/near the list too.

Kucherov-Hagel
McDavid-Draisaitl
Mackinnon-Makar
Marner-Nylander

I wonder how many points Pasta would have if he was on TOR, EDM, COL, TBL, VGK etc...

So is he in a league of his own?

Great player but no not the best . Until he leads the league in points a few times and leads the league in playoff points resulting in a cup win multiple times. Definitely top 5 to 10 offensive player .

 

[BruinLVGA]

Bold move to post this thread round about the same time Ovechkin breaks Gretzky's record -- gotta give you props for being so ballsy.

Oh yeah, a 28 year old Pastrnak finished with 43 goals in the same season a 39 year old Ovechkin also had 43 goals in only 64 games (55 goal pace).

So, a big fat "NO" is my answer to your question.

I guarantee you that if you want to look at mitigating circumstances + context, Pastrnak‘s 43 goals are way more of an achievement than Ovechkin‘s 43.

Morgan Geekie having 30 goals in his last 50 games is wild to me.

The Pastrnak effect.

 

[The Hockey Tonk Man]

He's good.
If the B's had any sort of Powerplay set up he'd have another ~10 or so points this year easily

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Ovechkin scored 50 goals and 100+ points playing with Chris Clark.

Linemates generally don't seem to matter that much in hockey. You might get a 10 point boost with better linemates but guys generally seem to score what they deserve.

Cool story, what does 2006 have to do with right now?

where it makes a difference is on the power play, which is the only gap between Pastrnak and MacKinnon/Kucherov this year. He outscored both of them at ES

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Actually, that’s Draisaitl.

Nope. Draisatl is actually quite a ways down the proficiency list. Pastrnak is #2 after Matthews since 2020. Drai has wider peaks and valleys.

 

[fahad203]

He's no Trevor Zegras

How many Michigans did Pasta score in his life time? that's right. I rest my case

 

[atlanticobserver]

Did you miss Kucherov putting up half of Tampa's points last year? Come on, Pasta has had a good year but the guy is 15 points back of Kucherov. It's not like he is playing with total duds. Elias Lindholm scored 40 not that long ago. He's great but I would comfortably put Kucherov, MacKinnon, McDavid, and Draisaitl above him in this regard.

 

[Video Nasty]

Nope. Draisatl is actually quite a ways down the proficiency list. Pastrnak is #2 after Matthews since 2020. Drai has wider peaks and valleys.

Seems strange to me that you guys are omitting Pasta's actual Rocket win. Wonder why that could be?

Oh wait, it's because since Pasta's shared Rocket win in 2019-2020, he's behind not only Matthews, but Draisaitl as well, in total goals and GPG. But in regards to you specifically stating 2020, I also set the parameters for both January 1, 2020 through present day and 2020-2021 through present day. I also set it for 2021-2022 through present day. As is the same from January 1, 2021 through present day. Draisaitl is still second in both goals and GPG, so no, that's either a mistake or a lie.

Wider peaks and valleys? Draisaitl had 43 in 71 (equivalent of 50 goals), 31 in 56 (equivalent of 45 goals), 55 in 80, 52 in 80, 41 in 80, and 52 in 71 (equivalent of 60 goals). I see a pretty consistent 50 goal scorer, considering he's done it three times. This is also ignoring the 50 goals in 82 games he had in 2018-2019.

Actual wider peaks and valleys. From 2019-2020 through 2024-2025, Draisaitl's high is 55 goals. His low over a full season is 41. His actual low is 31 over a shortened season. His highest pace is 60. His lowest pace is 45.

Pasta's high is 61 goals. His low over a full season is either 40 in 72 or 43 in 82. His actual low is 20 over a shortened season and also the only season between both players that is less than half a goal per game. His highest pace is the 61 he achieved. His lowest pace is 34. He has scored 50 once.

Over those six seasons, here are their placements in the goal scoring race:

Pasta: 1 (tied), 35, 17, 2, 7, 4
Drai: 4, 4, 2, 4, 14, 1

They each have 3 head to head wins, one has a shared Rocket, one has an outright win. Pasta has 3 top 5 finishes. Drai has 5. Pasta has the bottom 2 seasons.

Seems clear which player has the actual wider peaks and valleys, which player is more consistent, and which player is better.

 

[Bank Shot]

Cool story, what does 2006 have to do with right now?

where it makes a difference is on the power play, which is the only gap between Pastrnak and MacKinnon/Kucherov this year. He outscored both of them at ES

Because Ovechkin went from playing with absolute nobodies and scoring 106 points to playing with Backstrom, Kuznetsov, Mike Green and scoring 112 points.

Everyone thought Heatley was going to score 60 goals when he went to play with Thornton in SJ. He proceeded to score about the same as Ottawa.

These scenarios have played out time and time again, and it plays out in the same fashion.

The big guns score what they are going to score. The multiplier effect you have created in your head doesn't exist.

 

[MVP of West Hollywd]

Averaging 110 pts over the last 3 seasons on a team that's usually better on D is huge.

Also uh, I guess I was sleeping on Morgan Geekie.

 

[JFedol]

Linemates generally don't seem to matter that much in hockey. You might get a 10 point boost with better linemates but guys generally seem to score what they deserve.

Lots of people and the fake "superstars" need to f***ing hear this shit, respectfully.

I know your comment has a different sentiment, but in my honest opinion. Sometimes the depth that 90% of people mention and rave about isn't that much of a factor when it's really just your superstars not being elite enough in all facets (literal) of the game tbh. Wishful thinking, but I've always had the opinion that each real authentic superstar should be able to produce elite to generational numbers with literally anybody (I'm talking mediocre 2C's/3rd-4th liners, hell even AHLers), if they really were a "superstar". No excuses.

They probably have a way higher ceiling than projected if there TOI was simply increased as well, but that's another story.

Said superstar player would just have to simply work 1000000x more harder and try and sustain that without the possibility of injuries from overtraining themselves (if possible). They probably need to study all systems, players, tatics as well (as if they haven't already). But somehow amplifiy it to another level.

The infamous 89 Lemieux and Rob Brown situation is 100% a sustainable likely outcome that isn't being utilized because of personal effort and motivational desire.