Is Bedard worthy of a 15 mil/8 year contract? CHGO Sports believes so... with link.

[Matty Sundin]

Might be his and his agents best interest to sign a bridge.

 

[Bombshell11]

Might be his and his agents best interest to sign a bridge.

Hawks GM should call Bergevin, he’ll explain everything

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

He'll land in the 8yr-11mil area if he signs long-term. Could be a 8-9mil per year bridge coming though.

 

[x Tame Impala]

You know the funny thing, Glen Sather was one of two people - according to Gretzky - who did not want him to sign the 20 year personal services contract in 1979 for the Oilers. Not that he didn't believe in him, but he just didn't agree with giving anyone that long of a contract. Gretzky still signed it, and if I recall his father Walter was someone who helped persuade him. Ace Bailey was the other guy who didn't like the idea of him signing it. Anyway, what I am getting at is that this was Gretzky, on the verge of shattering the record books and taking pretty much all the records to his grave. If anyone deserved a long contract it was him. But this idea of even 8 year contracts is just too much. There is too much risk for a team to do this. Matthews already is showing signs of bizarre injuries and he's never been a full season type of player anyway. Agents and the NHLPA and such will demand these big contracts but barely anyone is worth it. And Bedard is not one of them either, especially what we've seen so far. He is a gem yes, but you need to do a lot more than that. That being said, I think he asks for 8 years and maybe $15 million. It wouldn't shock me if that is the asking price.

Ovechkin has been the only guy arguably worth that crazy long contract. Hossa and Keith signed long contracts too but those were a little different.

Its the Bedard copium that is weird.
You're almost blaming me for the video lol, as if i made it?
Redirect your anger towards CHGO not me.

Do you like being gas lighted?

I sure don't so im gonna make sure im doing my part to challenge the bs rethorics and ideas.

Its time to expose the propaganda and call out their hypocrisy

Ok man, keep on fighting the good fight...against hockey commercials and forum narratives

 

[BlueSeal]

As long as he doesn't lose focus and keeps healthy, he's just going to get better and better and he's only 19. He'll end up with a big money contract and will earn every penny.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

I voted 12.5 for 6.

I can see him betting on himself, and the cap going up. Especially if he improves to over a PPG and pots 30+ next year.

 

[thadd]

If the franchise is sold on him being as good as he's supposed to be, I think that's a proper contract to offer him.

Me on the other hand, I believe he'll be great, but I don't know if he's going to be that great yet. If I was a Hawks fan I would want a 2-year bridge deal.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Well, if Bedard believes he will be an Art Ross/Hart trophy type of player, there's no way he signs an 8 year deal at a discounted number, so maybe a bridge

winning an Art Ross/Hart trophy has nothing to do with Bedard getting paid. he's getting paid no matter what. I dunno why you seem to think it matters

Feel he's purposely going to take a bargain in order to have cap room.

he's not making single digits, so either way even if there's a discount it's going to be alot

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Even 10 a year is overpay

your crazy, cap is going up big time. 9+m or less for youngers with Bedard's potential isn't happening anymore. you have to get this flat cap value outta ur head. soon the cap will be over 100m and as the cap continues to rise the percentage that Bedard gets will lower.

 

[Stephen]

Feels like force feeding a vanity contract on a player who doesn't yet deserve it with the delusion he'll play up to his contract dollar amount.

 

[Stephen]

winning an Art Ross/Hart trophy has nothing to do with Bedard getting paid. he's getting paid no matter what. I dunno why you seem to think it matters


he's not making single digits, so either way even if there's a discount it's going to be alot

On merit alone, Bedard is still a "single digit" player.

 

[MoneyManny]

i cant wait for Demidov to come and make you unplug your keyboard

11.5.... when he's RFA?

explain why you think he's worth that money

His projected performance is well worth 11.5.

Chicago's rebuild hangs on Bedard. If he somehow manages to completely underwhelm and makes a 11.5 aav contract into an anchor, the Hawks have deeper problems than his salary.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

On merit alone, Bedard is still a "single digit" player.

he's 19 and has 102 points in 117 games iirc, 9+ or less isn't happening. he's 100% getting double digits. I'm just curious why you think he's worth so little? he's been pretty damn impressive on that lousy Chicago Blackhawks squad

 

[Pablo El Perro]

The question and options don't add up

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

your crazy, cap is going up big time. 9+m or less for youngers with Bedard's potential isn't happening anymore. you have to get this flat cap value outta ur head. soon the cap will be over 100m and as the cap continues to rise the percentage that Bedard gets will lower.

Only potential he's shown is a massive bust (relative to his generational hype)

 

[Stephen]

he's 19 and has 102 points in 117 games iirc, 9+ or less isn't happening. he's 100% getting double digits. I'm just curious why you think he's worth so little? he's been pretty damn impressive on that lousy Chicago Blackhawks squad

Well, $9 million plus is not the same as $11.5 million or $15 million…

 

[trick9]

Why is there different question on the title and the OP?

Is he worthy of 15m/8yr contract? Obviously not. He has 115GP and stands at 0.89 P/GP. There are lots of RFA years left on that contract so in terms of what he's worth it's propably around ~9.5m, since the cap is going to go up significantly.

What is he going to ask? More than that. If he were to sign this contract now, he'd propably want a bridge deal because most of the comparables would point below 10m on a long-term deal, and while 'hawks would propably pay him above market value, i'd guess he's more willing to bank on himself and sign this deal after next season while hoping the team around him improves as does his production.

 

[Skolman]

i cant wait for Demidov to come and make you unplug your keyboard

11.5.... when he's RFA?

explain why you think he's worth that money

Habs fans are truly setting themselves up for disappointment

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Only potential he's shown is a massive bust (relative to his generational hype)

lmao okayyyy there bud.

Well, $9 million plus is not the same as $11.5 million or $15 million…

I dont even know what your trying to say here. what I was saying is no way he takes 8x9+m on a 8x he for sure is getting 10+
the cap is going up ALOT. 11.5m isnt really that much soon

 

[Voight]

His projected performance is well worth 11.5.

Chicago's rebuild hangs on Bedard. If he somehow manages to completely underwhelm and makes a 11.5 aav contract into an anchor, the Hawks have deeper problems than his salary.

In an absolute worst case scenario, a buyout before 25 would only cost 1/3. So not the end of the world if he completely flops after signing an extension.

 

[MCR74]

WTF? No. You're confusing Bedard with McDavid.

 

[Stephen]

lmao okayyyy there bud.


I dont even know what your trying to say here. what I was saying is no way he takes 8x9+m on a 8x he for sure is getting 10+
the cap is going up ALOT. 11.5m isnt really that much soon

My man, you’re in a thread that is proposing $15 million over 8 years.

Saying Bedard will get more than $9 million doesn’t automatically translate to $11.5 million either.

My thought is a bridge deal actually makes sense again. Bedard hasn’t done quite achieved franchise changing play yet and isn’t entitled to a best in the game AAV yet. So having the chance to hit a home run in a few years time might be the best play and not have to worry about 8 years at an AAV where the speculation is ranging from $9 million to $15 million.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

My man, you’re in a thread that is proposing $15 million over 8 years.

Saying Bedard will get more than $9 million doesn’t automatically translate to $11.5 million either.

My thought is a bridge deal actually makes sense again. Bedard hasn’t done quite achieved franchise changing play yet and isn’t entitled to a best in the game AAV yet. So having the chance to hit a home run in a few years time might be the best play and not have to worry about 8 years at an AAV where the speculation is ranging from $9 million to $15 million.

there are more options though, its not just 15, I would say that's pretty extreme, he can ask for 15 but they will get it down, I dont think he gets 12 to be honest, I think 11.5m is his number between 6-8 years

I dont think 9m or anything in the 9s has a chance in hell unless ur talking maybe 1 or 2x, I think Chicago would be foolish to bridge him though, Drai was viewed as vastly overpaid, and now look at him. on his final season of 8.5m which is incredible value

 

[SimpleJack]

NHL didn't do any of these things.... he was hyped up just as much as any rising star. maybe you just happened to pay more attention that year than previous years? Chicago really hasn't surrounded him with much talent and he;s got 102 points over 115gp. still only 19 years old. that's not bad at all.

look at Jack Hughes in his first 2 seasons he played 117 games and got like 52 points NJ was pretty bad at that time as well,

just wondering where exactly should he be? if he's never going to get there where should he be at right now to be even remotely close to being what they said he would be?

I just really don't understand your thought process here

He’s not worth the time. Has a clear agenda against Bedard for whatever reason.

 

[kerrabria]

McDavid signed $12.5m x 8y in 2017, it was 16.6% of the cap
Eichel signed $10m x 8y in 2017, it was 13.3% of the cap
Hughes signed $8m x 8y in 2021, it was 9.8% of the cap
Stutzle signed $8.35m x 8y in 2022, it was 10.1% of the cap

McDavid was already a Top 5 center in the league when that contract was signed, so there's no comparison.

Hughes was seriously struggling to be an effective Top 6 Center in the NHL when he signed that contract. Bedard has his issues, but his first two years has clearly been better than Hughes' first two years, so that's not a good comparison either.
Stutzle didn't have the same hype as Bedard, and his production didn't pop off until after he signed.
Interestingly, both Ottawa and New Jersey had history of giving out early, risky contracts to young players, and (consequently) they had internal precedents and also provided more offensive support for Hughes/Stutzle than Bedard has had.

Eichel hadn't even established himself as first line center when Buffalo irresponsibly turned the franchise over to him. He had similar production to Bedard and was similarly one-dimmensional, so if Chicago wants to go the fake-it-til-you-hopefully-make-it route and pay for Bedard's draft hype, Eichel might actually be a decent comparable.

13.3% of $92.5m is $12.3m. Voted for $12.5m because after arbitrary math and a cursory look at history, I won't be surprised if this is the number--even if it's undeserved.