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Is Auston Matthews the best player in the world ?

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no not yet, but I do believe he's top 4 right now, imo he's gone past MacKinnon, Malkin, Kane, Ovie and yikes even Crosby

McJeebuzz is still the king and then I think it's a pick'em for 2/3/4, being Mitch, Auston and Draisatl
 
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therealkoho said:
no not yet, but I do believe he's top 4 right now, imo he's gone past MacKinnon, Malkin, Kane, Ovie and yikes even Crosby

McJeebuzz is still the king and then I think it's a pick'em for 2/3/4, being Mitch, Auston and Draisatl
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Mitch isnt in that convo right now. Im taking mackinnon/crosby for sure over mitch. Not even close for that. He is the the tier below still
 
He is the undisputed #3 in the NHL now. You have McDavid, MacKinnon and Matthews.


This BS that Oilers fans cry about saying Draisaitl is better is a joke. Matthews is easily better.
 
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MapleLeafs77 said:
Mitch isnt in that convo right now. Im taking mackinnon/crosby for sure over mitch. Not even close for that. He is the the tier below still
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on a more discussive note

I always try to look at it as who would I trade Mitch for straight up

Crosby, at one time for sure maybe even right up to the end of last year, but now I don't think so

MacKinnon, this is a tough one but only because I've seen Matty and Mack together before, albeit with McJeebuzz(young guns NA team) and it was like nothing I could have ever even imagined, but Mitch still has more to come while I think MacKinnon is currently at his peak I'd have a hard time making that trade
 
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Fogelhund said:
Of course... but then I think the point is... if the other teams, and fans of other teams, saw Matthews ripping up their teams, the way he is The North right now, the around the league view might be different.
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Exactly ... How can you be considered the best if you're not even playing against the best currently, and viewed only through his production against 6 of 30 NHL teams?
 
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Exactly ... How can you be considered the best if you're not even playing against the best currently, and viewed only through his production against 6 of 30 NHL teams?
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We aren’t playing any American teams.
Matthews is top league quality no doubt and should absolutely be owning the weak Canadian Division.

Our old division of Toronto, Boston, Montreal, Tampa, Florida are all up near the tops of their division. We don’t have to worry about anyone but Montreal. We should steam roll this division, and the playoffs. Anything less is a serious failure.

This also isn’t the environment to declare these guys some new hockey God level when you only play 7 teams in a season. It’s a great opportunity for us. Better than you can buy right now.
 
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Why do people never learn not to overreact to small sample sizes or players getting really hot to start the season? Do you guys forget that we've already been through this with Matthews? Two years ago during his contract year he was on fire during his first 25 games and people were comparing him to McDavid. Matthews ended up cooling off big time and by the end of the season no one was talking about that comparison anymore.

Why don't we wait a little longer than 18 games to see if he can continue to score at this pace ( very unlikely) and how much he is going to slow down ?
 
rielledup said:
Why do people never learn not to overreact to small sample sizes or players getting really hot to start the season? Do you guys forget that we've already been through this with Matthews? Two years ago during his contract year he was on fire during his first 25 games and people were comparing him to McDavid. Matthews ended up cooling off big time and by the end of the season no one was talking about that comparison anymore.

Why don't we wait a little longer than 18 games to see if he can continue to score at this pace ( very unlikely) and how much he is going to slow down ?
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Ok
 
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He's currently playing the best hockey in the world, but I don't think I'd call him the best hockey player in the world. Michael Hutchinson is undefeated after all.
 
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therealkoho said:
on a more discussive note

I always try to look at it as who would I trade Mitch for straight up

Crosby, at one time for sure maybe even right up to the end of last year, but now I don't think so

MacKinnon, this is a tough one but only because I've seen Matty and Mack together before, albeit with McJeebuzz(young guns NA team) and it was like nothing I could have ever even imagined, but Mitch still has more to come while I think MacKinnon is currently at his peak I'd have a hard time making that trade
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This is where I differ in opinions. Which is completely fine as we all have different opinions.

I would trade a lot of players for marner. If I were to pick a player today for a 7 game playoff series.....mackinnon and crosby are leagues ahead of marner for me. Probably toss in pastrnak, hedman, point, etc.

Plus winger vs center is huge as well. I think marner is in that discussion with the three players above. Mackinnon is with mcdavid and matthews for me. Crosby is close to that as well given his....everything LOL
 
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Raging Bull said:
Auston Matthews Career Splits | Hockey-Reference.com

PPG in his career against those teams. He's great against good teams and elite against shitty ones, most elite players tend to destroy shit teams.
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Matthews is nearly at GPG pace against Ottawa in his career.

He had a 4 point night against Ottawa yesterday and 5 goals 3 assists in the 3 game set, but as you say most elite players destroy weak opposition and currently Sens are weakest team in the NHL, but that shouldn't be the basis for defining "Best" player.

He also had 5 goals against Vancouver in that recent 3 game set. So that is 10 of his 16 goals on the season have come in those 6 games against those 2 teams only. So Matthews is feasting on the 2 X weakest teams of the CDN division which is accounting for a large portion of his goal production to date. Where that goal production is fueling this thread question is it not?

If Auston were playing those games against Boston and TB for example would you expect this goals production to go down, up or stay the same?

So you have to consider context and Quality of Competition plays a big part in any comparison like this, if you want to apples to apples comparison. IMO
 
Auston Matthews is the best pure goal scorer in NHL.

McDavid is best offensive player in NHL.
McKinnon is second best player in NHL.
Bergeron is probably still the best two-way player in NHL.

Vasilevsky is probably best goalie in NHL.

...best D really changes year-to-year. Headman? Josi? Jones? Carlson? more subjective position
 
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Matthews is nearly at GPG pace against Ottawa in his career.

He had a 4 point night against Ottawa yesterday and 5 goals 3 assists in the 3 game set, but as you say most elite players destroy weak opposition and currently Sens are weakest team in the NHL, but that shouldn't be the basis for defining "Best" player.

He also had 5 goals against Vancouver in that recent 3 game set. So that is 10 of his 16 goals on the season have come in those 6 games against those 2 teams only. So Matthews is feasting on the 2 X weakest teams of the CDN division which is accounting for a large portion of his goal production to date. Where that goal production is fueling this thread question is it not?

If Auston were playing those games against Boston and TB for example would you expect this goals production to go down, up or stay the same?

So you have to consider context and Quality of Competition plays a big part in any comparison like this, if you want to apples to apples comparison. IMO
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I don't think he's the best player in the world at this point, and he has to show more over a long period of time to catch McDavid.

But, why are we comparing Van and Ottawa to Tampa and Boston. Like, if it was the Atlantic this year we'd still get a ton of games against bottom feeders like Ottawa and Detroit, plus Buffalo is a tire fire so far.
 
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EC said:
Auston Matthews is the best pure goal scorer in NHL.

McDavid is best offensive player in NHL.
McKinnon is second best player in NHL.
Bergeron is probably still the best two-way player in NHL.

Vasilevsky is probably best goalie in NHL.

...best D really changes year-to-year. Headman? Josi? Jones? Carlson? more subjective position
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It's Hedman and has been for the past 5 years. High-end point producer while being arguably the best defenseman in the league. His size/skating/mobility at 6'7-240 is just as freaky as McDavid's speed or Matthews shot.
 
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Mess said:
Matthews is nearly at GPG pace against Ottawa in his career.

He had a 4 point night against Ottawa yesterday and 5 goals 3 assists in the 3 game set, but as you say most elite players destroy weak opposition and currently Sens are weakest team in the NHL, but that shouldn't be the basis for defining "Best" player.

He also had 5 goals against Vancouver in that recent 3 game set. So that is 10 of his 16 goals on the season have come in those 6 games against those 2 teams only. So Matthews is feasting on the 2 X weakest teams of the CDN division which is accounting for a large portion of his goal production to date. Where that goal production is fueling this thread question is it not?

If Auston were playing those games against Boston and TB for example would you expect this goals production to go down, up or stay the same?

So you have to consider context and Quality of Competition plays a big part in any comparison like this, if you want to apples to apples comparison. IMO
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Alex Ovechkin has 41 goals and 73 points in 50 career games against the Leafs.
Imagine if he had played us 10 times a year in an 8 team division.
Context.
 
mcdavid and drai are 1 and 2 in the nhl in pp points(14 mcdavid 11 drai) with time and space there is nobody better than mcdavid, but 5v5 i might put matthews and mcdavid even with each other with how they can control a game.
matthews feels like the more complete player, while mcdavid has the more impactful game offensively, and can take over at any given moment on his own like nobody else in the NHL atm.
hes right there with mac and a few others.
overall i still take mcdavid.
 
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It will take a lot for me to put anybody of this generation ahead of McDavid. I put him in the category with Sakic/Yzerman in terms of skill and level of play, McDavid is on that Lemieux level.
 
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rielledup said:
Why do people never learn not to overreact to small sample sizes or players getting really hot to start the season? Do you guys forget that we've already been through this with Matthews? Two years ago during his contract year he was on fire during his first 25 games and people were comparing him to McDavid. Matthews ended up cooling off big time and by the end of the season no one was talking about that comparison anymore.

Why don't we wait a little longer than 18 games to see if he can continue to score at this pace ( very unlikely) and how much he is going to slow down ?
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Never had playmakers like Marner and Thornton playing with him before. That is a major upgrade from Nylander and Hyman.
 
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I think it's still McDavid. Maybe if McDavid was still a terrible defensive player I would take Matthews, but he's much improved this year. Matthews is McDavid's toughest competition, but he's not there yet
 
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