Is Auston Matthews still a top 5 player in the world?

[Trade]

Sid
McDavid
Drai
Makar
Q. Hughes
Barkov
MacKinnon
Kucherov
M. Tkachuk
Rantanen
Point
Guentzel
Pastrnak
Hedman
40yo Ovechkin
Eichel
Kaprizov
Kyle Connor
Nylander
Marner

All clearly ahead of him. He should convert to W.

 

[bert]

I would think he no longer is.

Never was. This was a Toronto centric narrative. Amazing player probably top 10 even with his playoff resume.
He is not better than Mcdavid, Draisaitl, Makar, Mackinnon or Kucherov. Id take Quinn Hughes over him too and then there are a bunch of other players that its debatable.

The tier he is in for me is as follows. Rantanen, Pasternak, Kaprizov, Barkov, Eichel, Sid, M Tkachuk, Connor, Nylander, Heiskanen and Point.

Then there are several other players pushing up to that, that are younger and are coming.

Top 5 talent? Sure.

Top 5 playoff performer? Nope.

You think he is more talented than Mcdavid, Mackinnon, Kucherov, Draisaitl and Makar? No shot for me.

 

[Saga of the Elk]

AM at his best is a goal scorer like Ovechkin minus the leadership, physical play and ring. AM may yet find success but now he's basically a guy with a great shot who no longer seems to have that great shot. Still very good but certainly not top-five.

 

[dirtydanglez]

imo the top 5 is locked up with mcdavid, mackinnon, kucherov, makar, draisaitl

 

[ManWithNoName]

To be honest, I’d say he is a top 5 player...in Toronto.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Never was.

 

[HarryLime]

Nope. He needs to go on a playoff run where he shows up and leads Toronto to the finals before he gets to enter top 5 discussions. What he's done in the playoffs has eliminated him from the elite of the elite. He is a garbage playoff performer and has a horrible attitude.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Memories are short.

Matthews was definitely top 5 for a few years there. But yeah this wasn’t a good enough season to keep him there IMO.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

alot of really bad takes in here, right now no he's not a top 5 player. but he was for a couple seasons,
playoffs I dunno where Id rank him but its not good

 

[BHawk21]

Tier 1
McDavid
Mackinnon
Makar
Draisaitl

Tier 2
Crosby
Q Hughes
Matthews
Barkov
Kucherov
Pasta
Eichel
Kaprizov
Rantanen
Dahlin
Heiskanen

Tier 3
Marner
Nylander
J Hughes
Tkachuk
Point
Guentzel
Connor
Hellebuyck
Shesterkin
Panarin
Suzuki
Werenski

 

[blundluntman]

Always had him at 6 at best on average (at his best, around 4 or 5). This season he was top 10-20. As of right now I'd say he's at the very bottom of the top 10 guys in the league

 

[bert]

Memories are short.

Matthews was definitely top 5 for a few years there. But yeah this wasn’t a good enough season to keep him there IMO.

Which years? He hasnt been better than Mcdavid, Kucherov, Mackinnon or Draisaitl consistently at any point of his career. Makar has been elite for 6 years. When Matthews entered the league he wasnt better than Crosby.

 

[bert]

Tier 1
McDavid
Mackinnon
Makar
Draisaitl

Tier 2
Crosby
Q Hughes
Matthews
Barkov
Kucherov
Pasta
Eichel
Kaprizov
Rantanen
Dahlin
Heiskanen

Tier 3
Marner
Nylander
J Hughes
Tkachuk
Point
Guentzel
Connor
Hellebuyck
Shesterkin
Panarin
Suzuki
Werenski

Kucherov is quite easily in the 1st tier absolutely ridiculous to not have him there. he has 378 points over his last 3 seasons. He has lead the playoffs in scoring 3 times and has 171 points in 152 playoff games.

 

[Sasso09]

Factoring in down season, and playoff resume, he is a top 25 player today. Let’s see if I can come up with as many players better or at least more valuable to him (no caphit consideration)

In no order just random

1.Mcdavid
2.Drasaitl
3.Makar
4.Q.Hughes
5.N.MacKinnon
6.Heiskanen
7.Morrisey
8.hellebyuck
9.Kucherov
10.Point
11.K.Connor
12.Barkov
13.Tkachuk
14.Crosby
15.Kaprizov
16.Eichel
17.Pasternak
18.Dahlin
19.Rantanen

I’d have matthews at around 20-25

some of these names over AM are comical.

AM is a top 5 forward in the league, top 10 player, for sure.

 

[centipede2233]

some of these names over AM are comical.

AM is a top 5 forward in the league, top 10 player, for sure.

Was….

 

[SharksFan1992]

I wouldn't even put him Top 10.

 

[SharksFan1992]

Factoring in down season, and playoff resume, he is a top 25 player today. Let’s see if I can come up with as many players better or at least more valuable to him (no caphit consideration)

In no order just random

1.Mcdavid
2.Drasaitl
3.Makar
4.Q.Hughes
5.N.MacKinnon
6.Heiskanen
7.Morrisey
8.hellebyuck
9.Kucherov
10.Point
11.K.Connor
12.Barkov
13.Tkachuk
14.Crosby
15.Kaprizov
16.Eichel
17.Pasternak
18.Dahlin
19.Rantanen

I’d have matthews at around 20-25

Hellebuyck at #8

 

[centipede2233]

Hellebuyck at #8
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I did say “in no particular order”, thanks for reading smh

 

[NVious]

Never was.

(Except for the time the media and players voted him as the best player)

 

[Fatass]

I would think he no longer is.

How about provide an option that he never was top 5?

 

[Fatass]

(Except for the time the media and players voted him as the best player)

Taylor Hall won a Hart.

 

[NVious]

Taylor Hall won a Hart.

Hall has scored 30 goals once, 40 goals never. Matthews literally has more 60 goal seasons than Hall has 30 goal seasons lmfao.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Reading these lists I think he’s clearly gone from overrated to underrated. He’s not top 5 imo primarily because of his playoff performances but he’s clearly top 10. I’d like to see him healthy again but he’s won some Rockets, a Hart, and a Lindsay and he’s got some Selke votes.

 

[SharksFan1992]

I did say “in no particular order”, thanks for reading smh

Still hilarious putting Hellebuyck in the Top 20

 

[Fatass]

Hall has scored 30 goals once, 40 goals never. Matthews literally has more 60 goal seasons than Hall has 30 goal seasons lmfao.

My point is that Matthews has bet been a top five player in the league. Hes not even the top player on his own team.