Is anyone else actually missing Taylor Hall?

[AZDesertKnight]

The guy sure turns every team he goes to to garbage.. look at that +/-

Bullet dodged imo.

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[YP44]

Mr. Draft lotto

 

[MIGs Dog]

He was the best skater on the roster last season. Not his fault the team sucked. He chose poorly in going to Buffalo, unless $$$ was the only objective.

 

[Sm00chy]

Taylor Hall is a very good hockey player. His decision to go to Buffalo was a massive mistake, but hindsight is always 20/20.

I really wish the swing the Coyotes took when acquiring him was this year as opposed to last.

 

[Name Nameless]

He was good, but not worth it. Also, the rest of the team seemed to play worse with him. Of some odd reason. I know he arrived just when Kuemper got injured or something, but it was odd.

 

[moosemeister]

I’d rather have Hall than Keller, Crouse and Kessel haha

 

[The Feckless Puck]

I’d rather have Hall than Keller, Crouse and Kessel haha

Keller and Crouse at least have room to improve. Hall doesn't. Hall is a luxury player, and we don't have any luxury.

 

[MIGs Dog]

Sure, Hall's 29, but I don't see much drop-off in his skating. The dude just needs to play for better teams and better coaches.

 

[Neighborhood Coyote]

Nope, don't miss him. As stated, the team played poorly with him in the lineup (they all expected him to carry and do the work it felt like) and the price was too steep at the wrong time for him.

He is a great player and fun to watch and I wish that the team played well with him in the lineup. I have no problem with how he played for the Yotes, personally.

The team, as it is... I don't think would be performing better with him right now vs how they have been. Not that they've been great, but why add cost for similar results?

 

[XX]

I thought he was very mediocre when he was here. His compete level wasn't all that high. The system didn't help.

He's not the player he was his MVP season.

 

[lanky]

He's a good player.
I'd be happy to welcome him back on a short/medium term deal.
I don't want to trade for him again because that would be insanity. We need more picks not less.

 

[Jakey53]

I thought he was very mediocre when he was here. His compete level wasn't all that high. The system didn't help.

He's not the player he was his MVP season.

I thought Hall's compete level were off the charts most nights. Hall was the reason Garland got ice time and was noticed by our dumb coaching staff.

 

[SniperHF]

Most of the reason we sucked last season after he came here was already baked in before he arrived. I didn't and don't blame him for any of that really, he mostly did his job though waned as the season went on which is maybe somewhat understandable.

I did not want to pay his open market price.

So no I don't really miss him, regardless of what he's doing this season.

 

[KG]

He kept saying he wanted to go to a contender but signed with buffalo?

its sus.

 

[PainForShane]

He kept saying he wanted to go to a contender but signed with buffalo?

its sus.

It is sus, but look at Buffalo's roster. On paper at least they should be good, incl Ullmark (haven't seen him play much but consensus is he is an above average goaltender).

There's something in the water over there, guys like Ryan O'Reilly get run out of town but then win a cup with STL and then get named Captain of their club.

Hall was our best skater most nights he played. Effort, ability etc. Guy created something offensively on well over half the shifts he played. Should we have traded for him in the first place? Not sure. But I wish him nothing but the best

 

[The Feckless Puck]

He kept saying he wanted to go to a contender but signed with buffalo?

its sus.

The stark reality is that Hall played himself out of a big UFA bonus at the end of last season. The Hall that was in New Jersey would have gotten a much bigger deal, but the NHL saw what happened when he came here and, understandably, his options dried up.

 

[PainForShane]

The stark reality is that Hall played himself out of a big UFA bonus at the end of last season. The Hall that was in New Jersey would have gotten a much bigger deal, but the NHL saw what happened when he came here and, understandably, his options dried up.

Feck, I think this is might be the first time we disagree (which is ok, disagreements are good). Hall absolutely could've signed a long term anywhere but with covid, money may or may not have been on the table. He went to Buffalo on a 'show-me' type 1-year deal which made sense at the time because he knew Krueger and you'd think he'd be stapled to Eichel's line which would mean the equivalent of 80-100 points for an 82 game season and would help his next contract. At the time it didn't seem like the dumbest idea, he was by far the best / most sought after free agent forward on the market.

But, Krueger and Buffalo need a shooter on that line so it looks like Oloffson is next to Eichel at ES, Hall's playing with Eric Staal and Cozens, maybe to help Cozens along as he gets smarter about the league. Not the worst idea for the team (esp as this season seems lost for them, might as well help bring Cozens along), but absolutely not in Hall's best interest re: next contract.

Either way he absolutely could have gotten a long term deal last year, imo the size of that deal had far more to do with COVID than his performance here which was pretty good even though the points weren't there

 

[rt]

I thought he was very mediocre when he was here. His compete level wasn't all that high. The system didn't help.

He's not the player he was his MVP season.

I thought he was the hardest working player, highest compete level on the team not named Garland. Most skilled player on the team, period. One of the most impressive players we’ve had in the last 20 years. Like top five, IMO.


Love Taylor Hall. Miss him terribly.

Can we trade Keller for Hall and Quinn?

 

[The Feckless Puck]

Feck, I think this is might be the first time we disagree (which is ok, disagreements are good). Hall absolutely could've signed a long term anywhere but with covid, money may or may not have been on the table. He went to Buffalo on a 'show-me' type 1-year deal which made sense at the time because he knew Krueger and you'd think he'd be stapled to Eichel's line which would mean the equivalent of 80-100 points for an 82 game season and would help his next contract.

The bolded part actually fits with my opinion on the subject. I think the market softened considerably after his trade to Arizona and the Coyotes took that huge nosedive. I'm sure he could have signed somewhere long-term, but not for the money he was expecting pre-trade. So yes, I think he did take the "show-me" deal in hopes of proving that it was the team and not the player who failed.

On a personal level, I love Taylor Hall as a player and a person. He's the kind of star winger who has the smarts and attitude to make himself a real asset to any team. That said, though, for whatever reason he did not gel with the Coyotes. And the team is not different enough now for him to be a fit if he came back (same coach, basically the same core).

I'd like a Hall signing if it was for $6-8M/year for about 4 years. That's as high and long as I'd be willing to go. And the prereq would be that Tocchet would be gone and our roster would have some significant turnover. But even with that, he'd never go for it.

 

[PainForShane]

The bolded part actually fits with my opinion on the subject. I think the market softened considerably after his trade to Arizona and the Coyotes took that huge nosedive. I'm sure he could have signed somewhere long-term, but not for the money he was expecting pre-trade. So yes, I think he did take the "show-me" deal in hopes of proving that it was the team and not the player who failed.

On a personal level, I love Taylor Hall as a player and a person. He's the kind of star winger who has the smarts and attitude to make himself a real asset to any team. That said, though, for whatever reason he did not gel with the Coyotes. And the team is not different enough now for him to be a fit if he came back (same coach, basically the same core).

I'd like a Hall signing if it was for $6-8M/year for about 4 years. That's as high and long as I'd be willing to go. And the prereq would be that Tocchet would be gone and our roster would have some significant turnover. But even with that, he'd never go for it.

I was hoping I could disagree with someone besides @XX on these forums but it was not to be. *sigh*

=D

100% on everything you just said other than I think the bolded part needs more context. Prior to this conversation, I thought the market softened primarily because of COVID (and in some sense still do)... which I don't think had anything to do with his performance here, but after thinking about it, you might be onto something.

I'm not talking about the points or the play, but undeniably he wasn't able to elevate the team even though by most estimates he was our best forward on our team. It's like the knock on a guy like Pavel Bure and maybe McDavid in a few years. Sure you might be amazing individually but can you make your teammates play better? No one's talking about McDavid like that atm but they will in a few years if the Oilers continue to stink. Imo Hall was an excellent player, but I'm not sure he elevated his teammates -- and for that contract you need someone who can 100% do both.

To be clear, I don't blame him at all, but maybe other people would. Maybe the same people that offer NHL contracts in which case you leave money on the table.

So yeah, glad we disagreed, you definitely expanded my perspective here. Thx for that!

 

[SniperHF]

I don't think the Coyotes performance had much to do with Hall's market, I think it was mostly the pandemic.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

So yeah, glad we disagreed, you definitely expanded my perspective here. Thx for that!

Civil disagreement and good faith discussion is the fastest route to progress there is.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

I don't think the Coyotes performance had much to do with Hall's market, I think it was mostly the pandemic.

I'm sure COVID threw a wrench into things, but if I'm an NHL GM and I see a Coyotes team that's solidly in playoff contention add Taylor Hall, and then crash and burn, I'm probably thinking twice about the Airbus Beluga XL filled with cash and 10-year paid mortgage I was planning to give Taylor in the offseason.

I mean, Hall was no slouch - 27 points in 35 games is not a lot to sneeze at for most players - but the payday Hall was theoretically expecting better befitted a game-changer who potted 39 goals and 93 points, like he did in 2018... not what he was with the Coyotes.

 

[Jakey53]

The stark reality is that Hall played himself out of a big UFA bonus at the end of last season. The Hall that was in New Jersey would have gotten a much bigger deal, but the NHL saw what happened when he came here and, understandably, his options dried up.

Disagree.

 

[Prarievarg]

Definitely miss Taylor Hall.