Is a Fire Sale Coming ??

[Bobby Bottle Service]

Unfortunately, no vet with any type of movement clause is going to waive it to walk into this situation.


I think the fear of Cozens becoming a star elsewhere scares Adams to death.

Adams isn't scared, he's just the press secretary.

Terry is scared because every player who finds success elsewhere is an indictment on him as the GM/Owner.

 

[bodechek]

That's not how it works, and Zucker has been a very decent player for us, but he can't stop this burning thing on his own or with anyone else. Adams is a terrible GM, Pegula is a terrible owner, that's all we need to know about this.

Impact players do not just perform on the ice. I'm also referring to leadership and guidance which seems to be lacking. I would figure that the coach lays out his game plan and said player(s) would buy into and execute. But we all have different ideas and how to correct the sinking ship.

 

[Fjordy]

Impact players do not just perform on the ice. I'm also referring to leadership and guidance which seems to be lacking. I would figure that the coach lays out his game plan and said player(s) would buy into and execute. But we all have different ideas and how to correct the sinking ship.

Well, I agree, we lack vets and generally good players, we have too many young players on the roster, it doesn’t work that way.

 

[The Red Helmet]

Unfortunately this doesn't seem fixable within the year and a half. It's probably time for another mini re-build. Guys we should be trading:

Tuch because he is a year and a half from being a UFA and as much as he grew up loving the Sabres, I think he'll be looking to get out of this mess.

Greenway if he gets healthy before the deadline because he is a UFA after the season and will probably be looking to leave also.

Zucker because he is a UFA after the season.

One of Power or Byram because of redundancy on the blue line. I only trade Power if you are getting a youngish center back in return that has already established himself and is signed for at least 4-5 years after this one.

Any other pending UFA's, you trade and get the best you can.

Then in the off-season you end the Sabres recent tradition of giving free passes to the NHL for young recent draft picks. Sign and trade for vets to fill the lineup and make players earn their way to the NHL.

This team has the worst record in the NHL but they are not the worst team. If they can hit on their top 5 pick and make a couple savvy moves, they could stop the playoff drought after year 15.

 

[Sabre the Win]

If Pegula is the fire SALE than I hope so. If anyone doesn't think this mess is on the owner, they just need to take a look around at all the other franchises regardless of sports and see the difference between successful ones and non successful ones and I guarantee you the difference is the owner and the backing behind them. Even if you look at the obvious right in your face franchise by looking at Wrexham or watching them on Hulu/Disney + you can clearly see what owners can do to change a trajectory of a team.

 

[Ace]

If the question is will there be a sale of the team before I light the building on fire…it’s 50/50

 

[SabresFan26]

If the question is will there be a sale of the team before I light the building on fire…it’s 50/50

Did Kevyn take your stapler?

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Fire sale ? more like...

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

If Pegula is the fire SALE than I hope so. If anyone doesn't think this mess is on the owner, they just need to take a look around at all the other franchises regardless of sports and see the difference between successful ones and non successful ones and I guarantee you the difference is the owner and the backing behind them. Even if you look at the obvious right in your face franchise by looking at Wrexham or watching them on Hulu/Disney + you can clearly see what owners can do to change a trajectory of a team.

Comparing step 4 soccer to the NHL is like apples to dumptrucks.

They doubled (and almost tripled) the payroll of some other teams and bought their way into league one.

Now they’re like 3rd in payroll behind the recently relegated champions league sides. Who are allowed some dispensation and ballon payments for falling out.

 

[Sabre the Win]

Comparing step 4 soccer to the NHL is like apples to dumptrucks.

They doubled (and almost tripled) the payroll of some other teams and bought their way into league one.

Now they’re like 3rd in payroll behind the recently relegated champions league sides. Who are allowed some dispensation and ballon payments for falling out.

What does this have anything to do with my point? Just because a league or team has higher payrolls then another other sports doesn't take away from the trajectory an owner can make or break a club.

 

[markpenske]

It doesn't matter. Under this owner, every choice has been the wrong one. They don't even, by way of luck, stumble into success.

Is it really the owner? Yes I guess but "if" he gets the GM right...the GM will get the coach right....and things will fall into place and nobody will be talking about the owner. Get the GM right.

 

[Chainshot]

Is it really the owner? Yes I guess but "if" he gets the GM right...the GM will get the coach right....and things will fall into place and nobody will be talking about the owner. Get the GM right.

Three times he has tried to do that. All three were first timers who all had different deficiencies. He's had one POHO who was also a newbie who didn't last a year. Three of his head coaching hires (Rolston, Housley, Granato) have had no NHL HC experience. Two were retreads (Nolan and now Ruff 2.0) with the team. One was hated by his stars (Bylsma) and one had been away from coaching for years and seemed to sell them on a bunch of buzzwords and personality (Ralph). There is way too much inexperience in who he has hired over and over again to make any of us think he's going to get either the GM or the HC position correct.

 

[Fjordy]

Three times he has tried to do that. All three were first timers who all had different deficiencies. He's had one POHO who was also a newbie who didn't last a year. Three of his head coaching hires (Rolston, Housley, Granato) have had no NHL HC experience. Two were retreads (Nolan and now Ruff 2.0) with the team. One was hated by his stars (Bylsma) and one had been away from coaching for years and seemed to sell them on a bunch of buzzwords and personality (Ralph). There is way too much inexperience in who he has hired over and over again to make any of us think he's going to get either the GM or the HC position correct.

In theory, he can, if he's lucky. And who advised him to hire Bean or did he hire him himself? McDermott, as we've already found out, was found for him by a special firm.

 

[Chainshot]

In theory, he can, if he's lucky. And who advised him to hire Bean or did he hire him himself? McDermott, as we've already found out, was found for him by a special firm.

McDermott recommend Beane.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

McDermott recommend Beane.

pretty sure that was "unofficial" dual hire in the end Chain, everyone sort of knew Whaley was gone.

 

[Fjordy]

McDermott recommend Beane.

So it all started with the firm that found McDermott, although Terry initially chose the wrong guy, and only on the second try did he choose McDermott. Damn, he needs a POHO, an adviser, or at least this firm.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

What does this have anything to do with my point? Just because a league or team has higher payrolls then another other sports doesn't take away from the trajectory an owner can make or break a club.

The “trajectory” they added was dumping a shit ton of money directly into on field production, an option not available in the NHL. Unless you’re Vegas

 

[markpenske]

Three times he has tried to do that. All three were first timers who all had different deficiencies. He's had one POHO who was also a newbie who didn't last a year. Three of his head coaching hires (Rolston, Housley, Granato) have had no NHL HC experience. Two were retreads (Nolan and now Ruff 2.0) with the team. One was hated by his stars (Bylsma) and one had been away from coaching for years and seemed to sell them on a bunch of buzzwords and personality (Ralph). There is way too much inexperience in who he has hired over and over again to make any of us think he's going to get either the GM or the HC position correct.

yeah. That's my point. If he ever gets the GM right everything should be much better.
Honest question: Who's currently out there that would be a good GM replacement?

 

[Fjordy]

yeah. That's my point. If he ever gets the GM right everything should be much better.
Honest question: Who's currently out there that would be a good GM replacement?

Do you need an experienced GM specifically? I just think POHO plus a new GM (probably without GM experience) makes even more sense, maybe.

 

[jc17]

Do you need an experienced GM specifically? I just think POHO plus a new GM (probably without GM experience) makes even more sense, maybe.

Issue with POHO is that they are still picked by Terry, so idk what it solves

 

[Fjordy]

Issue with POHO is that they are still picked by Terry, so idk what it solves

Well it's harder to make a mistake, there probably aren't that many famous experienced former GMs/POHOs there.It's just that out of all the experienced GMs, there are a lot of older people who probably won't be GMs anymore and will be looking at the POHO or advisor position, most of them are working as advisors now.

I literally found one more or less normal experienced GM, and even he is far from ideal.

I don't think guys like Lombardi, Holland, Wilson, Dudley want to be Sabres GMs, but maybe 1-2 of them could take on the POHO role.

 

[Archie Lee]

yeah. That's my point. If he ever gets the GM right everything should be much better.
Honest question: Who's currently out there that would be a good GM replacement?

The list of former GMs, under age 70 and currently not employed in a POHO role, is basically a who’s who of guys who left their last team with an unholy mess.

 

[Fjordy]

The list of former GMs, under age 70 and currently not employed in a POHO role, is basically a who’s who of guys who left their last team with an unholy mess.

Well that's usually the case, although I was okay with Jarmo. Columbus played in the playoffs for half of his tenure, even got past the first round. The team is also not a big market and has problems. He's not perfect, I have questions about his drafts, but he's not afraid to trade, a tough and persistent negotiator. All the others with experience under 70 probably look worse to me. If Terry doesn't want POHO, I think Jarmo would be a normal choice at this point.

 

[Archie Lee]

Well that's usually the case, although I was okay with Jarmo. Columbus played in the playoffs for half of his tenure, even got past the first round. The team is also not a big market and has problems. He's not perfect, I have questions about his drafts, but he's not afraid to trade, a tough and persistent negotiator. All the others with experience under 70 probably look worse to me. If Terry doesn't want POHO, I think Jarmo would be a normal choice at this point.

Agreed that Jarmo might be the best of the veteran candidate.

 

[Fjordy]

Agreed that Jarmo might be the best of the veteran candidate.

Yes, because the others are mainly Benning, Bergevin, Chiarelli, Dorion.