Interesting Info: Part XVI (All Jackets-related "tidbits" in here)

[NotWendell]

Interesting rumor floating around Edmonton about a possible Mark Fayne for Scott Hartnell trade. I have mixed emotions about that one.

 

[DJA]

That rumor got shot down by Dreger.

 

[EDM]

My emotions would are not mixed. I say NO.

 

[We Want Ten]

This deal is beyond the pale. Fayne is not very good on EDM, and Hartnell is one of the few producing for the CBJ. As a salary dump is the only advantage I can see, but I would have to think that at the TDL, Hartnell could get way more than a guy who was -21 and put up all of 8 points last year(has 1pt. so far this year). He sounds like a bunch of players we already have.

This all means Jarmo will do it.

 

[NotWendell]

Fayne was very good in New Jersey. I'm with you that I dont want to trade Hartnell right now, but they'll come a time that his contract will be an albatross.

 

[major major]

Hartnell for Fayne might not be such a bad idea.

Fayne was downright great in New Jersey (top pair shutdown), and he hasn't been terrible in Edmonton. Believe it or not they have better D-depth than us and he's lost playing time. There's also been plenty of D who were markedly worse with Edmonton than they were with other clubs. Petry, Nick Schultz, etc.. So it's not inconceivable that he'll be very useful for another club.

If you had told me a year ago that we could get a decent defender for Hartnell, on a better contract, I would have jumped for it. Hartsy had a negative value contract, after all. Now I'm not so sure. He's become a very important part of this team, and he's a damn good player. For all I know he might still be a valuable contributor 3 years from now. But if the club decides that we have no choice but to move the contract (I believe EspenK and others made a good case for it) Fayne might be a good return.

 

[We Want Ten]

Clarkson was also good for New Jersey.


I just don't see it making sense Trading away the team leader in points for a guy having trouble making the top 8 in EDM seems like a sketchy proposition. Fayne has 1 less year and is about a million less per year, but I just can't see it.

 

[WannabeFinn]

trading Hartsy for Fayne would just be the worst

 

[Kutter]

Ring...Ring...

"Hi Sydney! It's me Jarmo. I'm thinking of trading Scotty Harnell for a bag of pucks, a couple of sticks, and a guy named Fayne."

"Hey Jarmo. I love it. Hartsy is a pain in the @#! to play against. Go for it.".

"Ok, thanks."

"Can you throw in Dubie too?"

 

[thebus2288*]

Hartnell can shoot and score goals.

If there's 1 thing this team "lacks", other than an all-star defenseman, is guys that have a strong "scoring touch". Dubi, Jenner, Foligno, Saad, Atkinson all have above average offensive skills and CAN score goals. However they all lack(besides very rare occasions) the quick release, velocity and accuracy that Hartnell has behind his shots. Probably in that order(Dub-Jen-Fol-Saad-Atk) IMO you could "rank" them when it comes to reading and getting into the "scoring areas". That says nothing about their actual "shot", as I believe Atkinson prolly has the "best" out of the group. Like his buddy, he has issues (for different reasons) getting into scoring areas, or getting off "quality" shots, on a consistent basis. And yes, that's why I've left out Jojo til now. He HAS the ability to shoot as well if not better than Hartnell. He CAN "read" the ice and knows where he should be. He has an issue, or should I say "allergic reaction", to having the "drive" or "want" to getting into scoring areas. So we'll give him an INC at this point. That seems to always be an "acceptable grade" for the "star athlete".

"But he's everything we've always hoped and dreamed off"


Its crazy how "up and down" people can be on here to what they "prefer". Or even what they "believe" the team "needs" OR even "has".


The Horton situation/Clarkson (salary/cap) hit is a mess. There's no other way to put it. And the people who think "he hasn't been bad" need to understand that his salary/cap hit/"real dollars"/whatever IS what makes it as much of a mess as it is. He also is not helping this team win AT ALL. If you want to complain about Boll being "overpaid" for his roll by a mil a yr then you have to realize how much it hurts the team when guys like Clark and Wiz or currently Tyutin are playing 3-4+ million behind their "value". Bourque is on Wiz's shoulders, although I take him over Clarkson 9 times outta 10, contract or not.

Is there NOTHING we can do with Clarkson? Would he have to retire? We gave up the "bury option" when we traded Horton aka the medical loophole? Any option to remove Clarkson they would have to pay him anyway? And that is the reason the original trade was made?

And yet people still think the ANISIMOV trade was a good move. Some people wanna argue we had to make room for the "IQ Twins" but many made it seem like it was a money move. Saad gets what, an extra mil a yr than Anisimov? And he is NO difference maker and at the very most, arguably better. But yet that extra 1 mil is the reason Boll ruins our depth and ability to roll 4 lines and ability to win games?

Who gets more points this year? Anisimov or Wennberg/Karlsson combined? And add Campbell also to make it closer if you have to.

 

[EspenK]

Hartnell for Fayne might not be such a bad idea.

Fayne was downright great in New Jersey (top pair shutdown), and he hasn't been terrible in Edmonton. Believe it or not they have better D-depth than us and he's lost playing time. There's also been plenty of D who were markedly worse with Edmonton than they were with other clubs. Petry, Nick Schultz, etc.. So it's not inconceivable that he'll be very useful for another club.

If you had told me a year ago that we could get a decent defender for Hartnell, on a better contract, I would have jumped for it. Hartsy had a negative value contract, after all. Now I'm not so sure. He's become a very important part of this team, and he's a damn good player. For all I know he might still be a valuable contributor 3 years from now. But if the club decides that we have no choice but to move the contract (I believe EspenK and others made a good case for it) Fayne might be a good return.

I am in agreement with what you have said. I probably did advocate moving Hartnell's contract at some point. Like you I have doubts that now is the time to do it. Lots depend on what happens with Joey, Jenner and Murray's new deals as well as how the expiring contracts for Prout and Connauton are handled. What happens to the cap will also be a factor.

Bottom line is I wouldn't trade Hartnell now unless it involved a sure fire top 4 D man coming back and the guy would have to be closer to #2 than #5.

 

[JacketsDavid]

It's interesting.
Hartnell is good now but given his age and contract you would have to consider it. Reality is we have already played ourselves out of the playoffs this year so question is who would you rather have in 2016 and forward? But not sure if that is the best deal, Hartnell will be a valuable commodity at the deadline if he's producing.

 

[Xoggz22]

Coming into the season the CBJ probably thought they were going to be contenders while Hartnell (and others) remained highly reliable and productive. I'm sure the expectation was that at some point (another year or two) down the road they would look to move Hartnell after they completed the overhaul of creating a winning culture.

Fast forward 15 games and I have to think JArmo and company would seriously consider moving a contract or two and Hartnell's seems like a pretty good one to move (productive player with declining salary coming into play). The cap hit could deter some teams but I would think if Nashville came calling the CBJ would listen - right now.

I'm not advocating a move but he's one of the few assets that can A) get a decent return and B) might be considered replaceable with a guy like Rychel.

 

[Kutter]

Coming into the season the CBJ probably thought they were going to be contenders while Hartnell (and others) remained highly reliable and productive. I'm sure the expectation was that at some point (another year or two) down the road they would look to move Hartnell after they completed the overhaul of creating a winning culture.

Fast forward 15 games and I have to think JArmo and company would seriously consider moving a contract or two and Hartnell's seems like a pretty good one to move (productive player with declining salary coming into play). The cap hit could deter some teams but I would think if Nashville came calling the CBJ would listen - right now.

I'm not advocating a move but he's one of the few assets that can A) get a decent return and B) might be considered replaceable with a guy like Rychel.

Ultimately this would be a classic trade deadline move. IF the #CBJ can scratch and claw their way back into the race, Hartnell remains a strong asset. However come trade deadline, if they continue to be out of the race I'm sure they will find a will buyer.

 

[futurcorerock]

Anyone else catch this string of tweets from Porty on Fedorov's time in Columbus?





Do you think it ever occurred to Doug that he may have made some mistakes as GM of the Jackets?

 

[We Want Ten]

Anyone else catch this string of tweets from Porty on Fedorov's time in Columbus?





Do you think it ever occurred to Doug that he may have made some mistakes as GM of the Jackets?

Not for a second. He may have said he wished he had done some things differently, but no way he means it.

Edit: What was Feds answer?

 

[The Jones Zone]

After watching Doug MacLean on a recent episode on NHL Hockey Central, he convinced me he is the biggest idiot in Hockey today...I wish I could find a link for the video, but this is what he actually had the nerve to say;

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Did anyone else hear that POS Doug Maclean on Hockey Central Thursday.

He was making ridiculous claims about TR last game coached.

1) First he implied it was someone else's decision to play Curtis instead of Bob...as managment wanted to make sure they lost as they had already decided to hire Torts and didn't want to fire TR after a win

2) Then he said if it was TR choice to play Curtis he was ludicrous because he knew he needed to win and Bob would have gave him the best chance

3) Then the moron went on to say he would have played Bob "as punishment" because it was his poor play that had Richards job on the line

Talk about sour grapes from the damn loser who couldn't put together a team to get close to the playoffs after his success with Florida.

He lost any respect I had for him, which wasn't much to begin with

FU Maclean

 

[EDM]

U had any respect for GMDM ?????? Why?

 

[futurcorerock]

Not for a second. He may have said he wished he had done some things differently, but no way he means it.

Edit: What was Feds answer?

He posted it immediately after the quote

 

[futurcorerock]

After watching Doug MacLean on a recent episode on NHL Hockey Central, he convinced me he is the biggest idiot in Hockey today...I wish I could find a link for the video, but this is what he actually had the nerve to say;

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Did anyone else hear that POS Doug Maclean on Hockey Central Thursday.

He was making ridiculous claims about TR last game coached.

1) First he implied it was someone else's decision to play Curtis instead of Bob...as managment wanted to make sure they lost as they had already decided to hire Torts and didn't want to fire TR after a win

2) Then he said if it was TR choice to play Curtis he was ludicrous because he knew he needed to win and Bob would have gave him the best chance

3) Then the moron went on to say he would have played Bob "as punishment" because it was his poor play that had Richards job on the line

Talk about sour grapes from the damn loser who couldn't put together a team to get close to the playoffs after his success with Florida.

He lost any respect I had for him, which wasn't much to begin with

FU Maclean

It should be pretty telling the only legitimate phone call Doug's gotten since his hatchet job in Columbus was crazy old man Jim Rutherford to come in as a coach

 

[The Jones Zone]

It's absolutely mindbogglingly Zherdev wasn't smart enough to listen to Fedorov.

The Jackets brought Fedorov in try and turn NZ career in the right direction.
He had so much god given talent it was crazy. No desire to do anything team oriented....and never showed he cared about anything other than scoring goals

If the puck went in our net he couldn't care less

 

[Johansen2Foligno]

It's absolutely mindbogglingly Zherdev wasn't smart enough to listen to Fedorov.

The Jackets brought Fedorov in try and turn NZ career in the right direction.
He had so much god given talent it was crazy. No desire to do anything team oriented....and never showed he cared about anything other than scoring goals

If the puck went in our net he couldn't care less

Well, in reading his Wikipedia page, it seems like he has a litany of personal and emotional problems.

 

[We Want Ten]

He posted it immediately after the quote

Eh, what's that guy know about hockey? He was no Dougie Mac, that's for sure.

Half is sarcasm, half is not...

 

[JacketsDavid]

It's absolutely mindbogglingly Zherdev wasn't smart enough to listen to Fedorov.

The Jackets brought Fedorov in try and turn NZ career in the right direction.
He had so much god given talent it was crazy. No desire to do anything team oriented....and never showed he cared about anything other than scoring goals

If the puck went in our net he couldn't care less

I recall the whole thing differently.

Zherdev at least cared about defense at first.

But at some point he watched Nash float and he started doing the same thing. But those 2 did not get along.

But Zherdev at first was a good player but he liked to party and no-one held him accountable (he broke a few doors in his career with the CBJ) for any of his actions. The CBJ couldn't figure him out and best thing they could figure was to bring his mom over to live with him.

So he may have been a guy with some issues coming over, but the CBJ ruined him (and he ruined himself) but the CBJ did not have anything in place to deal with a young, parting Russian.

 

[The Jones Zone]

I recall the whole thing differently.

Zherdev at least cared about defense at first.

But at some point he watched Nash float and he started doing the same thing. But those 2 did not get along.

But Zherdev at first was a good player but he liked to party and no-one held him accountable (he broke a few doors in his career with the CBJ) for any of his actions. The CBJ couldn't figure him out and best thing they could figure was to bring his mom over to live with him.

So he may have been a guy with some issues coming over, but the CBJ ruined him (and he ruined himself) but the CBJ did not have anything in place to deal with a young, parting Russian.

you could have a good point, it's been a while
The guy did have some highlight reel goals...the goal to tie the game against the Blackhawks I can still remember like it was yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAroiQJIIMc