Interesting Info: Part XIII (All Jackets-related "tidbits" in here)

[db2011]

You're the brains when it comes to stats- so 60 some goals is a larger sample size than the 12 games in which they were produced?

Bottom line to be a bit ridiculous if we won a game 12-0 and then lost 11 by a goal each, our goal differential would still be about same so we'd be doing okay?

You can make all the arguments you want about this statistic and that statistic, but until the w's outnumber the l's by a significant amount I'm not sure the stats are all that important.

I'm not trying to pick on you but to the bolded, there's a reason there are 82 games in an NHL season, and a reason why the playoffs are 7 game series. Basketball, hockey and baseball are the kinds of sports where losses are anticipated. That's not to excuse them, but to keep them in perspective.

The team clearly isn't playing as well as it could, but there are a lot of teams in worse shape than the Jackets. They're not losing in a way that causes me great concern just yet; down 3-0 to Montreal and they tied it up instead of packing it up, and it could be argued that the loss to Anaheim hinged on a terrible call.

Yes, the w's need to outnumber the l's, and by a lot. But there will be l's, and 12 games are not enough games to project the ability of the team yet, in my opinion.

 

[DJA]

Here's something to make everyone vomit in their mouths a little bit:

 

[alphafox]

This is ridiculous. We're not rebuilding, we're competing. Its too short a sample to make a whole lot out of our win/loss record, but our goal differential is even (good for third in the division). The way we've played lately has me confident that we'll make the playoffs.

No offense, but does no one remember two years ago when we were worst team in hockey? This team is structurally lacking, but somehow the winning streak last year (after again starting as the worst team in hockey) has made everyone forget how far this team has to go to be a contender.

Do we have a #1 center? No. Johansen is coming along and Dubi gives his all every night but they are not #1's in the realm of Crosby, Toews, Datsyuk, etc.

Do we have a #1 Defenseman? No. Tyutin and JMFJ are solid #2/#3 guys. Murray has sky high potential as a #1 guy. Wiz is leading us in points, but is often a defensive liability.

Do we have a Goalie? Possibly, depending upon who you ask yes (I am in this camp as full disclosure). Regardless, the Vezina winner has been very mortal so far this year, which is exposing other weaknesses of the team.

The team is in a much better position that it was before the Nash trade, but that did not fix all the roster problems this team has. We have a new culture, better leadership and depth however we still have the same major missing pieces we have had in previous years. We may be competing while we rebuild, but this is still a rebuilding team. Maybe we have the pieces already and we need them to develop (Murray, Erixon, Johansen , Atkinson, Wennberg, Rychel) or maybe not.

 

[Sore Loser]

Here's something to make everyone vomit in their mouths a little bit:

Yes, that locker room smells like feet (Footes?) ... indeed, makes me want to vomit. Especially know that Patrick "Parachute Jersey" Roy is in there somewhere.

 

[major major]

You're the brains when it comes to stats- so 60 some goals is a larger sample size than the 12 games in which they were produced?

Bottom line to be a bit ridiculous if we won a game 12-0 and then lost 11 by a goal each, our goal differential would still be about same so we'd be doing okay?

You can make all the arguments you want about this statistic and that statistic, but until the w's outnumber the l's by a significant amount I'm not sure the stats are all that important.

Yes 60 is bigger than 12. It really is that simple when it comes to sample size.

I wouldn't resort to this argument based on goal differential but you've repeatedly argued that our sub-.500 record is all you need to know to prove that you're right in your pessimism about the team, and statistical arguments like that are always going to expose you to criticism from stats people.

Yes I'm arguing that your w's and l's are just another statistic. Of course after 82 games that is the only stat that matters, the question is what stat or set of stats is most predictive of the best winning record after 82 games, and that predictive stat isn't necessarily w's and l's after a dozen games.

 

[major major]

No offense, but does no one remember two years ago when we were worst team in hockey? This team is structurally lacking, but somehow the winning streak last year (after again starting as the worst team in hockey) has made everyone forget how far this team has to go to be a contender.

Do we have a #1 center? No. Johansen is coming along and Dubi gives his all every night but they are not #1's in the realm of Crosby, Toews, Datsyuk, etc.

Do we have a #1 Defenseman? No. Tyutin and JMFJ are solid #2/#3 guys. Murray has sky high potential as a #1 guy. Wiz is leading us in points, but is often a defensive liability.

Do we have a Goalie? Possibly, depending upon who you ask yes (I am in this camp as full disclosure). Regardless, the Vezina winner has been very mortal so far this year, which is exposing other weaknesses of the team.

The team is in a much better position that it was before the Nash trade, but that did not fix all the roster problems this team has. We have a new culture, better leadership and depth however we still have the same major missing pieces we have had in previous years. We may be competing while we rebuild, but this is still a rebuilding team. Maybe we have the pieces already and we need them to develop (Murray, Erixon, Johansen , Atkinson, Wennberg, Rychel) or maybe not.

A team with a defenceman who piles up points but is a defensive liability, A team with several non-elite but middling centers, a team with an inconsistent goalie who has flashes of brilliance, .... isn't this true of most teams in the league?

I'm ever more optimistic that the Jackets will someday be a contender. Why? Because Johansen is emerging as a dominant force at center (considered a #1 soon enough), because Murray is going to be one of the most consistently effective defencemen in the league, because Bob has the ability to stand on his head for us, etc....

 

[Robert]

I hear Peter Laviolette is out of a job.... I happen to think he's a good coach but are we at the point JD would consider him?

 

[CBJWerenski8]

I hear Peter Laviolette is out of a job.... I happen to think he's a good coach but are we at the point JD would consider him?

Nope, coaches don't score goals.

 

[pete goegan]

This stat from Puckrakers seems really strange to me:--The Jackets have outscored their opponents in the first period (9-7) and third period (15-13) but have been outscored 16-8 in the second.

 

[Nanabijou]

This stat from Puckrakers seems really strange to me:--The Jackets have outscored their opponents in the first period (9-7) and third period (15-13) but have been outscored 16-8 in the second.

Wow, I didn't realize that it was that lopsided. I guess they need to work on shift changes when they are on the 'long change' or something.

 

[joshjoshjosh]

This stat from Puckrakers seems really strange to me:--The Jackets have outscored their opponents in the first period (9-7) and third period (15-13) but have been outscored 16-8 in the second.

I've heard of the one-day flu but is there a 20-minute flu?

 

[EspenK]

Wow, I didn't realize that it was that lopsided. I guess they need to work on shift changes when they are on the 'long change' or something.

Heck, a big chunk of those have come before the first change.

 

[blahblah]

This stat from Puckrakers seems really strange to me:--The Jackets have outscored their opponents in the first period (9-7) and third period (15-13) but have been outscored 16-8 in the second.

At this point it seems to be mental. I'm not surprised as that seems to be when Bob gives up some of his soft goals.

Wow, I didn't realize that it was that lopsided. I guess they need to work on shift changes when they are on the 'long change' or something.

I'm actually surprised it's not worse. We've played horrible in the second.

 

[Fro]

Ugh Fedor...why'd you get yourself involved

#CBJ Fedor Tyutin's strong worded support for #Avs Varlamov: "I personally know Semyon very well. He is quite a true, considerate guy. As soon as I heard it all, I realized that it is all blown [out of proportion]. It's just American laws are on the women's side, that's why they can go to the police for any little thing, complain and bring a lot of problems to men. That's why the only mistake of Semyon is that he got together with this girl." (R-Sport)

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rr3tle

 

[blahblah]

Ugh Fedor...why'd you get yourself involved

Nothing really to see there, he's supporting his friend. His friend has probably already been tried in the court of public opinion.

I can give horror stories on men and women being quite evil in domestic disputes; including some brutal child custody battles. There are some very sick and twisted people out there.

One piece of advice for Tyutin, however. Word it a bit different. Say something along the lines of "I've know him forever and I don't think he's capable of that". There are a few stories of people I know doing things I never thought they were capable of.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Ugh Fedor...why'd you get yourself involved

I'm going to hope this got mistranslated and misinterpreted. Otherwise this could be a big issue.

 

[blahblah]

I'm going to hope this got mistranslated and misinterpreted. Otherwise this could be a big issue.

Doubt it and highly doubt it.

We scared of the PC police?

If this dude is guilty I hope he's locked up. If not, I hope she's locked up.

 

[Fro]

not saying he's right or wrong, just i wish they'd have interviewed anothe rrussian about it

 

[pete goegan]

Quote:

#CBJ Fedor Tyutin's strong worded support for #Avs Varlamov: "I personally know Semyon very well. He is quite a true, considerate guy. As soon as I heard it all, I realized that it is all blown [out of proportion]. It's just American laws are on the women's side, that's why they can go to the police for any little thing, complain and bring a lot of problems to men. That's why the only mistake of Semyon is that he got together with this girl."

"...for any little thing..."? The accusations seem to be a bit more than that. Whether getting together with "this girl" was his only mistake will be determined in court. I often must remind myself that, though these guys spend years in North America playing hockey, many of them come from vastly different cultures and carry quite different attitudes and value systems. Sometimes, that can play a large part in how they see American society, just as our values often color how we perceive theirs.

 

[Samkow]

Fro, where'd you find that?

 

[Fro]

Fro, where'd you find that?

came from Dimitry whatever I believe...cbjprospects sent it to us in a fb chat...but i know that Dimitry tweeted about it a couple hours ago...

edit: https://twitter.com/dchesnokov/status/397709397369294848

 

[db2011]

Ugh Fedor...why'd you get yourself involved



http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rr3tle

Ugh is right. I like Tyutin more and more but this stinks. Supporting a friend is understandable but the terms he's using to do it just aren't true

 

[FANonymous]

Ugh is right. I like Tyutin more and more but this stinks. Supporting a friend is understandable but the terms he's using to do it just aren't true

What exactly is untrue about it?

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I would like to take this opportunity to suggest folks post with due consideration on this Tyutin/Varmalov topic. You're welcome.

 

[Roadman]

Ugh is right. I like Tyutin more and more but this stinks. Supporting a friend is understandable but the terms he's using to do it just aren't true

What exactly is untrue about it?

I don't think anyone knows what's true and what's untrue. At this point it's all simply "what's being reported". There have been charges filed, but those is still subject to litigation and are simply what they are, allegations and not facts in evidence. Add to that the previously mentioned differences in culture and language.

There is a very long way to go before we know anything and it's entirely possible we may never really know.

Speculation is a disservice to both sides at this point.