News Article: Interesting ideas to fix the Oilers roster

[Little Fury]

not sure why the entire 3rd line has to be AHL guys
or why Rieder re-signs for less money when the Oilers probably won't miss his 0 goals next year

brutal roster

Kinda answered your own question there.

 

[Little Fury]

I dont get the hard on with stone. Bobby Mac just said he is getting 9+ a year.

If we want a 9 mil winger for mcdavid why not just play Drai (on pace over 100 points and 48 goals) on the first line like we have been doing?

Doesnt even cost assets.

Need a winger for RNH's line and to get real NHLers for the bottom 6 not prospects and AHL scrubs

Because the problem is we only have one line?

 

[The Nuge]

I didn't miss that part at all. If a team thinks Lucic can help the team more than a player who will never return from LTIR, and cap is not an issue to them, they might consider a trade. The Oilers can add, but it won't have to be a 1st as some have suggested. If the Oilers deal Lucic after July 1st there are less real dollars for a team like Arizona to pay.

No they won’t. Stop and actually think about that. A player on LTIR costs you literally nothing. Even if you trade him after his bonus, Lucic costs you 16 million. There isn’t a player on LTIR you could trade Lucic for.

You might be able to flip him and something for a guy like Wennberg who has of caphit of 4.9, and a salary of 5.35. That way they save 5.4 million. But you’re not getting rid of Lucic for nothing

 

[Jamin]

Because the problem is we only have one line?

Hence the get a winger for RNH...

Why break up line one when both players are on pace for 47 and 48 goals and both over 100 points?

I think it would be easier and cost less assets to get a 2nd line winger then get a 9-10 mil first line winger

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Kinda answered your own question there.

wasn't a question

 

[PKSpecialist]

I didn't miss that part at all. If a team thinks Lucic can help the team more than a player who will never return from LTIR, and cap is not an issue to them, they might consider a trade. The Oilers can add, but it won't have to be a 1st as some have suggested. If the Oilers deal Lucic after July 1st there are less real dollars for a team like Arizona to pay.

‍ Of course Lucic can help more than someone on LTIR. He is not an AHL player, and he brings things that can make a team better...just not at his price tag.... so why exactly is a team trading someone on LTIR for him? They aren’t paying that player anyways...I guess unless you think a Hossa/Bolland plan on coming off of LTIR...lol

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

1st line your not getting Stone for 8 M. A US team with tax advantages will offer that so it is more like 10M in certain US markets. It would take Edmonton 9M at least to land him.
2nd line is no different than we have today, 2 horribly inconsistent wingers, one of which is trending down not up (JP).
3rd line will get caved in on a regular basis. You cant have an entire 3rd line of raw rookies.
4th line is a bloody joke of what we have now. 2 guys who cant score and 1 who only scores with McDavid.

The guy who wrote this if my memory serves me correctly is a huge Khaira and JP backer. Khaira and JP cant function on the 3rd line vs weaker competition with RNH as C. Zero chance they thrive vs tougher competition and 1st / 2nd pair defence with Drai. JP can barely get out of his own way and should be traded this off season before his value shrinks to 4th round pick Yakupov levels.

On some planet he thinks we can get Montour from Anahiem, a divisional rival struggling defensively giving up one of thier top 4 d men. Not happening.

This roster is complete and utter garbage.

 

[TFHockey]

No they won’t. Stop and actually think about that. A player on LTIR costs you literally nothing. Even if you trade him after his bonus, Lucic costs you 16 million. There isn’t a player on LTIR you could trade Lucic for.

You might be able to flip him and something for a guy like Wennberg who has of caphit of 4.9, and a salary of 5.35. That way they save 5.4 million. But you’re not getting rid of Lucic for nothing

‍ Of course Lucic can help more than someone on LTIR. He is not an AHL player, and he brings things that can make a team better...just not at his price tag.... so why exactly is a team trading someone on LTIR for him? They aren’t paying that player anyways...I guess unless you think a Hosea/Pronger plan on coming off of LTIR...lol

Lucic actually has been playing well lately. Did you watch the game last night? A Lucic playing like that definitely helps a team more than a player on LTIR. Such an injured player only helps a team with cap considerations. If a team has a lot of room a Lucic deal might be possible.

 

[The Nuge]

Lucic actually has been playing well lately. Did you watch the game last night? A Lucic playing like that definitely helps a team more than a player on LTIR. Such an injured player only helps a team with cap considerations. If a team has a lot of room a Lucic deal might be possible.

Except by that logic any player helps, regardless of contract. If you extend Manning to an 8 year, 120 million contract, he’ll also technically help a team more than a player on LTIR. But no team would take that contract.

Honest question. Did you write the article?

 

[PKSpecialist]

Lucic actually has been playing well lately. Did you watch the game last night? A Lucic playing like that definitely helps a team more than a player on LTIR. Such an injured player only helps a team with cap considerations. If a team has a lot of room a Lucic deal might be possible.

Ok......one last time....why does, say Arizona, trade a zero asset,(Bolland/Hossa) whoever, for a guy who is way overpaid for his value to the team, and you have to pay him for 4 more years? Why wouldn’t they just go out and sign a similar player(third liner) for $3 million and laugh at the Oilers for being in the cap situation they are in while passing them in the standings?

 

[Weitz]

Just remember that every team knows how shitty the oilers cap situation and team is. No one is doing us a favour. If you think its a fair deal, we have to add because thats what its going to take to get rid of some players/have other teams "help us out".

 

[GOilers88]

Hence the get a winger for RNH...

Why break up line one when both players are on pace for 47 and 48 goals and both over 100 points?

I think it would be easier and cost less assets to get a 2nd line winger then get a 9-10 mil first line winger

People don't seem to understand that it doesn't matter whether Nuge or Drai play with McDavid. The one who has to center the second line has to drag around Lucic and Reider. Or Yamamoto, or Kassian...shit this game doesn't get any easier.

 

[LTIR]

We need to try RNH+Drai together for a few games and see if they can be a 1b line for us.

 

[rboomercat90]

Unreal that Chiarelli brought in half this mess in just his last month.
Spooner, Manning, what the heck...
I still also think Lucic can just go on LTIR due to his back, maybe this happens this summer...

Was it Chiarelli or the group? Nicholson opened up a can of worms admitting Koskinen was a group decision. I wish someone would have asked him why the group was involved in that one decision but none of the others. Saying Chiarelli had complete autonomy and then saying Koskinen was a group decision that was talked about in December doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

His back isn’t an issue. Scheuermann’s doesn’t just keep getting worse over time. He’s as healthy as can be, and there’s literally 0 chance of him going on LTIR this summer



Why would a team with an internal cap trade a player with an insured contract for a player they have to pay? The article conveniently glosses over that, and just assumes teams want to spend extra money

The only reason it worked with the Horton/Clarkson swap is because Horton’s contract wasn’t able to be insured, so Colombus either had to pay Horton not to play, or pay Clarkson, and at least have something to show for it.

Not all LTIR contracts are insured.

 

[TFHockey]

Except by that logic any player helps, regardless of contract. If you extend Manning to an 8 year, 120 million contract, he’ll also technically help a team more than a player on LTIR. But no team would take that contract.

Honest question. Did you write the article?

Ok......one last time....why does, say Arizona, trade a zero asset,(Bolland/Hossa) whoever, for a guy who is way overpaid for his value to the team, and you have to pay him for 4 more years? Why wouldn’t they just go out and sign a similar player(third liner) for $3 million and laugh at the Oilers for being in the cap situation they are in while passing them in the standings?

Har! No. I was trying to describe a trade where a LTIR $6 Million dollar player would come over to Edmonton, and a similar $6 Million dollar contract would be moved out. Not a $120 Million over 8 years Manning contract for a $4-5 Million dollar contract. Good one though. Sarcasm alive and well on these Oiler boards.

I suppose I wasn't clear. I believe the Oilers would have to add. I don't see them having to add a 1st to move Lucic in this scenario. If I am wrong, and the author of the article is wrong, then so be it. We are no worse off than before.

Okay? I believe a trade is possible. ONE. LAST. TIME.

 

[The Nuge]

Not all LTIR contracts are insured.

Right... which is why I posted that you have to find an uninsured contract...

Har! No. I was trying to describe a trade where a LTIR $6 Million dollar player would come over to Edmonton, and a similar $6 Million dollar contract would be moved out. Not a $120 Million over 8 years Manning contract for a $4-5 Million dollar contract. Good one though. Sarcasm alive and well on these Oiler boards.

I suppose I wasn't clear. I believe the Oilers would have to add. I don't see them having to add a 1st to move Lucic in this scenario. If I am wrong, and the author of the article is wrong, then so be it. We are no worse off than before.

Okay? I believe a trade is possible. ONE. LAST. TIME.

And who is this player you speak of that makes roughly 6 million, has 3-5 years left after this year, and is on LTIR, but doesn’t have an insured contract? Please name me even one.

What sarcasm? You’re saying it doesn’t matter how bad his contract is because it apparently somehow beats not having to pay a player, or have that player count against your capspace. I’m saying it absolutely does. An insured LTIR contract is basically a get out of jail free card. Why would a team pass that up?

There are ways to get rid of him without paying a 1st. I even gave you an example. But that doesn’t mean you can just wish a fictional scenario into existence.

 

[CupofOil]

I'm not sure what you guys are seeing, this roster is far better than the one now. They add Stone, Montour, McElhinney and lose Chiasson, Lucic, Kassian and Talbot. It's completely unrealistic but a lot better.

 

[McSuper]

The following article had some very interesting ideas.

https://thehockeywriters.com/edmonton-oilers-trades-roster-prospects-improve/

Summarized:

Assume $83 Million cap ceiling next year.

Trading Lucic is possible and has some precedence.

There are teams in worse positions who might be willing to trade with Edmonton. The Ducks might be willing Montour if the price is right. Suggested team might look like this:

I am not saying you are wrong . I just don't want us to rush prospects any more . NHL has a way of ripping the heart out of prospects . With your proposal we have a total rookie 3rd line

 

[ThreeOfAPerfectPair]

We need to try RNH+Drai together for a few games and see if they can be a 1b line for us.

Nah, we need to try RNH and Lucic together for an extended period. We've already found the perfect winger for McDavid in Drai.

 

[TFHockey]

I am not saying you are wrong . I just don't want us to rust prospects any more . NHL has a way of ripping the heart out of prospects . With your proposal we have a total rookie 3rd line

That's a very good point.

 

[PKSpecialist]

Har! No. I was trying to describe a trade where a LTIR $6 Million dollar player would come over to Edmonton, and a similar $6 Million dollar contract would be moved out. Not a $120 Million over 8 years Manning contract for a $4-5 Million dollar contract. Good one though. Sarcasm alive and well on these Oiler boards.

I suppose I wasn't clear. I believe the Oilers would have to add. I don't see them having to add a 1st to move Lucic in this scenario. If I am wrong, and the author of the article is wrong, then so be it. We are no worse off than before.

Okay? I believe a trade is possible. ONE. LAST. TIME.

Right... which is why I posted that you have to find an uninsured contract...



And who is this player you speak of that makes roughly 6 million, has 3-5 years left after this year, and is on LTIR, but doesn’t have an insured contract? Please name me even one.

What sarcasm? You’re saying it doesn’t matter how bad his contract is because it apparently somehow beats not having to pay a player, or have that player count against your capspace. I’m saying it absolutely does. An insured LTIR contract is basically a get out of jail free card. Why would a team pass that up?

There are ways to get rid of him without paying a 1st. I even gave you an example. But that doesn’t mean you can just wish a fictional scenario into existence.

I think what TFHockey is missing here is that an insured LTIR contract for a player who will never play again(Bolland/Hossa, Pronger before, Marc Savard....etc....) are essentially non-existent. They don't matter. The team doesn't pay the contract, and the contract doesn't count against the cap..... Other than the fact that some third party insurance company is on the hook to pay that player, as far as any team is concerned, that contract is null and void. Done. Meaningless. Non-existent. Player doesn't count against the cap, doesn't take up a roster spot, doesn't actually cost the team a dime. They have zero value. It is completely pointless to trade them.

Yes, a trade could happen. But not for something that doesn't exist. As The Nuge pointed out or I have in the past, if we are trading Lucic, the most likely scenario is taking on a bad contract in return, or adding a valuable piece with him, prospect or draft pick in order to get something of use in return. One last time, an insured LTIR contract is not a bad contract. For all intents and purposes, it is non-existent. It's like trading for a ninth round pick. Doesn't exist.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Nah, we need to try RNH and Lucic together for an extended period. We've already found the perfect winger for McDavid in Drai.

I always thought they seem to gel.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Not sure I get the love for Stone here. Yes he’s an amazing player, but the Oil can’t fit him in.

If you want to make a super line, then just go RNH-McDavid-Draisaitl.

 

[Cypress]

Nah, we need to try RNH and Lucic together for an extended period. We've already found the perfect winger for McDavid in Drai.

I always thought Lucic looked at his best on nugent-hopkins' line, those numbers are a lot more favorable for the pair than I would have expected though. I've been wondering this for a long time - didn't lucic's slump start when he was moved by Tmac off nugent-hopkins' line, up to McDavid's?