OT: Insiders - Do you trust them?

[57 Years No Cup]

It's pretty simple.... if an insider agrees with "me" (me = everybody in here) and my agenda, then he/she is legit. If what the insider says doesn't agree with me, than he/she is a hack.

Like I said, simple.

 

[Nineteen67]

Most people don’t know the difference between reporting and speculating even when they tell you. They don’t know how to look for attribution.

The media has created this system where they openly and knowingly lie to our face, but if it confirms our wish, we accept it. Attribution comes from a known lie.

Many people want confirmation not information.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

If you can't trust the insiders who can you trust.

I still see what the weatherman has to say every day. With a straight face he'll tell me it's cold and raining. Meanwhile it's thirty degrees and sunny outside.

But for some reason I'll still take an umbrella and jacket with me when I leave.

What exactly is the confidence level needed to trust these insiders anyway. Like how many times does someone have to be right in order to be reliable. And how many times do they have to be wrong in order to be unreliable.

Not to mention the tricky question of who's an insider and what makes them one.

I mean, let's face it, the media owns the team. Does anyone actually really believe nobody at Rogers has a clue what's happening inside ML$E. Transparency would be in the best interest for everyone and these insiders are in a position to deliver the most accurate news possible.

You can always trust the media to never lie or be wrong about anything but especially this team.

 

[ULF_55]

Firstly, fans need to understand what "rumor" means.

The other thing is that sometimes trades/signings fall through the cracks because both sides cannot agree on the terms. So teams might be shopping, offers are made, but nothing serious transpires.

Kypreos is pretty connected, but he doesn't always hit 100%. I'm not saying he's the best or the most trusted. He's just someone who's rumors I take more seriously.

Ultimately as Leaf fans we still get to hear about 50% of what might be happening before it happens. I like it, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

BTW - the options on this poll are a bit skewed.

Insiders provide information that they have overheard/heard via various connections.

IMO the issue is:

Saying a player is going to be traded based on Team A talking to Team B, seems like a "got it first" speculation / guess. If I'm right I get more followers/hits if I'm wrong they all forget it and move on to the next "speculation based on some information."

It is their business they are going to have connections, it is what they do with "scoops" that is questionable.

Poll - none of the above

 

[Budz]

All I know is that Elliott Friedman is walking with some extra money in his jeans after that brutal Marner interview.

Clearly a paid for - PR marketing piece from his camp.

I almost puked.

 

[tuckerintensity]

For the most part, yes they can be trusted. Fans, particularly Leafs fans, just have a hard time differentiating between what is speculation and what is reporting. You look at what most true insiders said about Marner this summer and it was a lot of them not expecting him to be traded, but everything was on the table. Then all these guys get asked about "what could a deal look like" so they speculate on that and fans run with that as reporting when it wasn't.

 

[thewave]

All I know is that Elliott Friedman is walking with some extra money in his jeans after that brutal Marner interview.

Clearly a paid for - PR marketing piece from his camp.

I almost puked.

Yes, absolutely brutal.

I really dislike a lot of what sports media is in Toronto. They are essentially lobbyists working for the players agents.

It really is obvious at this point.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Yes, absolutely brutal.

I really dislike a lot of what sports media is in Toronto. They are essentially lobbyists working for the players agents.

It really is obvious at this point.

It feels like the vast majority of news is following this path - pivoting from reporting on what seems important for people to know, to "reporting" (note the quotation marks) what whoever's paying them want fed to the people. So I guess you could say that since this trend is particularly obvious in sports, sports media is "ahead of the curve".

I say that tongue in cheek but I also feel like there's a lot of truth there. Sad stuff.

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

All I know is that Elliott Friedman is walking with some extra money in his jeans after that brutal Marner interview.

Clearly a paid for - PR marketing piece from his camp.

I almost puked.

It's not from his camp. It's from the Leafs.

 

[Budz]

It's not from his camp. It's from the Leafs.

I don’t care who it’s from.

Total garbage.

No one is out to get Mitch. Our fanbase wants some basic honesty and accountability from our players. Especially considering they demand top dollar.

If Mitch wants to play for 10 million - he would be the god he talks about being treated like. He might get some some slack.

Can’t have it both ways…

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Real trust happens with family a few close friends.

The answer to your question is: No.

 

[tmlms13]

Tiers:

Bobby Mac
Everyone not named Craig button
Everyone's pets
Aliens
Craig button

 

[LeafsNet]

No….because who cares. What is going to happen, will happen so insiders are kind of pointless to me. But that’s just me….I’m not normal so take that into consideration.

 

[Hellcat]

All I know is that Elliott Friedman is walking with some extra money in his jeans after that brutal Marner interview.

Clearly a paid for - PR marketing piece from his camp.

I almost puked.

It may not be paid for in the sense of money exchanged but paid for in the sense of accessibility.

We all know one of the biggest stories, until he is signed, will be Marners contract situation. It's commonly well known that agents and GM's will from time to time use "insiders" to leak information. If Elliott recklessly skewers Marner, he would lose access to Marner''s Camp information, the agent would shut down any flow of info to Elliott. Money exchanging hands, not in my opinion, a guy who's livelihood is conditional on access to information and is managing that relationship, possibly..

No….because who cares. What is going to happen, will happen so insiders are kind of pointless to me. But that’s just me….I’m not normal so take that into consideration.

LOL, love the self awareness. The older you get, the more you will learn, no one is "normal" , some are just better at faking it.

 

[Trapper]

 

[therealkoho]

If you think Bobby Mac and Eklund were or are the same, you don't have a clue.

My God man you have the reading comprehension skills of a 6 yr old.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Tiers:

Bobby Mac
Everyone not named Craig button
Everyone's pets
Aliens
Craig button

I would hire craig button as the leafs scouting director
better than what we have up until now

 

[Stopper420]

No they are just like the leafs they give me hope always saying how Marner will be traded in the next 38 hours than let me down. Seeing as how he will be on the opening night roster fast forward to April already I’m ready for disappointment again.

 

[Donnie740]

The goop guzzlers - - errrr, I mean “insiders” - - pander to management and players like the most pathetic jock sniff.

They’re desperate to be the first “breaking news” about trades and signings, but they offer ZERO analysis as to how the trade or signing will impact the teams involved.

I had a good laugh when Joke Marek got fired for spoon feeding some gimp information on who was boot be drafted so the gimp could post it online as look like a brilliant talent evaluator. Oopsie!

 

[MilkofthePoppy]

The press is an extension of corporate meant to get you excited about the product. They are nothing more than rumor-mongering jock sniffers with zero accountability and I miss the days when they were treated with the contempt they rightly deserved.

Remember Frank Seravelli said it was a "5 percent" chance Marner would be back.

 

[Dr Pepper]

The press is an extension of corporate meant to get you excited about the product. They are nothing more than rumor-mongering jock sniffers with zero accountability and I miss the days when they were treated with the contempt they rightly deserved.

Remember Frank Seravelli said it was a "5 percent" chance Marner would be back.

Some still are.......Simmons a classic example, also look at stooges like Adrian Dater out in Colorado.

Pretty sure every city's still got at least one village idiot.

 

[ITM]

A simpler way of putting it might be, I enjoy (and even anticipate) the presentation of intel from Mackenzie, Kypreos, Friedman, Johnson, and Kevin "On-location" Weekes! because there's a history of relatively accurate relay and entertaining speculation from the information that's drummed up by their reporting.

And I'll include information that isn't active. I really enjoy finding out about scenarios that were active and might have actualized had one domino or another fallen (e.g. Gretzky might have been a Leaf, but...) but never came to pass.