Inside The Scrum: Anthony Duclair

[Section32]

And Kloucek as well, who appeared to be a monster d-man only to suffer a concussion and fade away.

 

[vipernsx]

You call it bad luck...

I'd call it bad drafting

Rangers have averaged 1+ player per draft and that's even with dealing a lot of 1st rounders. Just because Sanguinetti doesn't pan out, doesn't mean it was a bad draft because Anisimov did. Every year the Rangers have produced at least one player per draft and 1 per draft is exactly where you need to be.

You can't really draft badly...everyone goes through the same process. No team in the league is "bad" at drafting. Picking a player you like is the easy part. Just saying a team, or a group of people on a team, can be bad at picking a handful of players once a year is also the easy part.

You can make a case for bad development, which is an entirely separate issue; but that's far more complex and hinges on a lot of different variables. The player, where they're playing, their coaches, how they're brought along, etc. etc.etc. It's extremely difficult to narrow down. So, I get it... "we suck at drafting" is broader and much simpler to defend. But it isn't right.

You can draft bad. From 2006 to 2010 Vancouver has drafted Grabner who they traded as a rookie. 2007 produced no NHL players. 2008 they drafted Hodgson who they traded. 2009 has produced no NHL players. 2010 no NHL players and nothing better than a D prospect. In 5 years they added zero players to their NHL club through drafting. Among other things, that's bad drafting.

 

[doncherrysgrill]

Iverson was our 3rd round pick. He was my favorite pick of the draft. I liked Halverson and Walcott, too.

Iverson is my favorite pick of this class because he's the safest. He's a bottom 6 forward who is already close to the level he needs to be at to play a 4W role on a deep team. Halverson is impressive and looked pretty good and WJC camp last week.

I completely agree on the Grachev points everyone is making, but actually think Duclair is just a better player. When we saw Grachev coming up, people marveled at his potential. I think with Duclair you sort of already know what you're going to get from him, and his skillset has developed in a way that you see exactly the type of player he is. If he can continue to grow this season he has a legitimate shot at being a top 6 forward. I honestly think there's an outside chance he gets a few games with the Rangers this year.

Buchenvich is a swing-for-the-fences pick but the kid's drive is worth noting. He's a guy who obviously has a love for the game and wants to win. He works hard every time he's on the ice and though my exposure to him is limited to ~10 games, he seems like the kind of kid who doesn't take a shift off no matter what. I like him.

 

[Trxjw]

Grachev had a very good toolset, he just didn't have the toolbox to go with it. He couldn't process the speed of the AHL well enough to produce, let alone the NHL. I think Duclair has a better head for the game. My worry with him is if he can deal with the rigors of the physical abuse a smaller player who gets to the dirty areas will take.

 

[Khelvan]

It's neither.

Bad is a relative term. It is in comparison to others and other teams have more misses than we do. But the draft is a crapshoot, so you always miss on a lot of picks, including high ones.

I'm curious if any (somewhat objective) comparisons have been made by team over the past 10 years showing how many NHL regulars have been produced from each team's draft regardless of round/position.

Individual picks would be pointless to compare, but overall draft record and ability to pick players should be a bit easier to compare.

 

[Barnaby]

You can draft bad. From 2006 to 2010 Vancouver has drafted Grabner who they traded as a rookie. 2007 produced no NHL players. 2008 they drafted Hodgson who they traded. 2009 has produced no NHL players. 2010 no NHL players and nothing better than a D prospect. In 5 years they added zero players to their NHL club through drafting. Among other things, that's bad drafting.

Yea... bad example. They have seriously declined. The major part of that is because they don't have much young talent on the roster. Good teams tank a few years and draft elite talent, and/or consistently draft NHL players. While the youngins are on ELC's you go out and try to trade/sign the stars to fill in the gaps because you have cap space.

Vancouver has done neither seemingly since the Sedins.

 

[bl02]

And Kloucek as well, who appeared to be a monster d-man only to suffer a concussion and fade away.

I honestly loved Klouceks game. Didnt he also tear his knee up?

 

[Beacon]

From 2003 to 2012, we drafted 15 NHLers. We also signed a bunch of UDFAs. A few others like McIlrath and Bourque have a real chance to make rhe NHL.

LW: Kreider, Hagelin, Dubinsky, Korpikoski.
C: Stepan, Miller, Horak, Marc-Andre Cliche
RW: Zuccarello, Callahan, Weise

D: Staal, Sauer, Girardi, Del Zotto, Corey Potter, Gilroy.

G: Talbot, Montoya


The Rangers were able to draft almost the whole team in 10 years.

 

[Zil]

From 2003 to 2012, we drafted 15 NHLers. We also signed a bunch of UDFAs. A few others like McIlrath and Bourque have a real chance to make rhe NHL.

LW: Kreider, Hagelin, Dubinsky, Korpikoski.
C: Miller, Horak, Marc-Andre Cliche
RW: Zuccare, Callahan, Weise

D: Staal, Sauer, Girardi, Del Zotto, Corey Potter.

G: Montoya, Talbot.

The Rangers were able to draft almost the whole team in 10 years.

Where's Stepan on this list?