Inside The Scrum: Anthony Duclair
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It's not nuts. This is what happens when you swing for the fences repeatedly: you will miss a bunch of times (Thomas, St. Croix, McColgan), but if one kid breaks out, you have a star on your hands.
This is why I have been screaming about doing this since I joined HF.
Duclair was a 3rd round pick because he missed time with a high ankle sprain in his draft year. Roy suspended Duclair and Adam Erne for a game and then changed his mind. Some teams probably thought Duclair was a pain in the ass and not worth the aggravation. He isn't a 3rd round pick player.
NYRSchrute217
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Agreed, and don't forget everyone's favorite, Evgeny Grachev. Buchnevich was a swing for the fences pick too. Him and Duclair both look like great picks so far.
Rangers desperately need one or both to do well. The top 6 potential talent is non-existent outside of JT Miller.
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If Miller becomes a 2C, pushing Brass back to the 3C role, and one of Butcher or Duke becomes a 2LW, pushing Hagelin to 3LW, we'll have a very strong young lineup for a long time to come.
C: Stepan, Miller, Brass, Lindberg
LW: Kreider, Butcher/Duke, Hagelin, Hrivik/Bourque
RW: Nash, MZA, Fast/Haggerty/Kristo, Glass/goon-of-the-year
That's a very strong lineup.
Grachev looked like a great pick at this point too, though.
How could you not think his game would translate to the NHL level the way he was dominating in the OHL with Duchene?
Grachev was a great prospect. Sometimes great prospects don't pan out at the NHL level.
With that said, I do think Duclair will be a top-6 NHL player. You have to love his drive and compete level that goes along with his speed and skill. And I think Buchnevich has a fair shot at a NHL career, but it's still early, and we should temper our expectations and be thrilled if/when they do turn into NHL stars, rather than be disappointed if/when they don't. Just my two cents, anyway.
True.
My only issue is that Hagelin already is a 3LW this year, because Nash/Zuccarello will be playing the left side with Brassard and Nash/Zuccarello on the right.
Also, you left out St. Louis, who I doubt is going to retire after this season. He likely goes the way of Shanahan and signs one-year deals with us as he goes.
Even TSN was pumping Duclair up after showing the highlights, more so than any other player. After this franchise has had so much bad luck in the draft with high end picks/talent(Cherepanov, Grachev, Jessiman, Del Zotto, Sanguinetti, etc), it would be great to see a guy like Duclair be the real deal for once.
That line up is 3-4 years down the road. No chance Buch or Duclair make the second line before then. I highly doubt St. Louis is still with us at 42,43
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Only because people don't know the meaning of "a lot of points."
Grachev had 1.3 ppg, while Duke had 1.7 ppg. Both are a lot, but that is a big gap. Just a few days ago someone here mocked me for saying that scoring a point per game in juniors as a 20 year old is not a lot. There are dozens and dozens of kids who score a point per game in juniors every season. There are a few dozen who score like Grachev. There are almost none who score 1.7 ppg like The Duke has. There are fewer still who did it without talented linemates.
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It's neither.
Bad is a relative term. It is in comparison to others and other teams have more misses than we do. But the draft is a crapshoot, so you always miss on a lot of picks, including high ones.
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generally id like to go for the safer picks in your first round...IE guys you have the highest on your board with the littlest downside, then in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, id swing for the fences...then best available at 4th, 5th, etc.
Skjei and Miller, to me, were both very safe picks.
Skjei and Miller, to me, were both very safe picks.
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Amazing that we may not have only found 1 steal in the 3rd round of that draft... but 2 (Buchnevich).
Tambellini, from everything that I've read, screams to me to be a heart and soul 3rd line player, similar to what Cally brought to the table.
But of all the 3rd round picks that I'm most excited to watch the development of, I'd say I'm hoping Keegan Iverson is the steal of this year's draft.
Tambellini, from everything that I've read, screams to me to be a heart and soul 3rd line player, similar to what Cally brought to the table.
But of all the 3rd round picks that I'm most excited to watch the development of, I'd say I'm hoping Keegan Iverson is the steal of this year's draft.
I really liked those picks when we made them. This year I'm really not crazy about who we picked. The goalies are always a crapshoot, but they seem like the best guys we picked this year IMO
Iverson was our 3rd round pick. He was my favorite pick of the draft. I liked Halverson and Walcott, too.
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Same here. I think he's the likely sleeper pick. To be dominant in Russian juniors and then prove himself capable in the KHL, the second-best league in the world, before you are even 18 is a huge accomplishment for a kid his age.
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You can't really draft badly...everyone goes through the same process. No team in the league is "bad" at drafting. Picking a player you like is the easy part. Just saying a team, or a group of people on a team, can be bad at picking a handful of players once a year is also the easy part.
You can make a case for bad development, which is an entirely separate issue; but that's far more complex and hinges on a lot of different variables. The player, where they're playing, their coaches, how they're brought along, etc. etc.etc. It's extremely difficult to narrow down. So, I get it... "we suck at drafting" is broader and much simpler to defend. But it isn't right.
You can make a case for bad development, which is an entirely separate issue; but that's far more complex and hinges on a lot of different variables. The player, where they're playing, their coaches, how they're brought along, etc. etc.etc. It's extremely difficult to narrow down. So, I get it... "we suck at drafting" is broader and much simpler to defend. But it isn't right.
I wouldn't classify Tambellini as that kind of player at all. He's a big body who can really make plays with great vision. The question is if he can be a guy who is more than just a power-play specialist and whether or not the fact that he left UND is a result of him wanting a better opportunity to play or if he just pouted to get out of a place he didn't like. From people I've spoken to, it's the former, but we'll see. There's a lot of things to like about the package he brings. It'll be interesting to see if the Rangers send him back to Calgary or let him skate with the Pack.
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