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Injury Report: Injury Thread '24-‘25 (Post 1 has current injury status)

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Arvidsson coming back soon, maybe next week, is good but has me thinking

This guy is injury prone but if he could reliably ride the IR from the deadline to the playoffs then that could be asset in the cap era
 
Hartman has been a complete douchebag ever since he came into the league with the Hawks. No question he tried to injure Bouch with that cheapshot hit, and unbelievable that no call was made. Anyone could clearly see he tried to push him into the post. He's done a ton of shit just like that before, and I hope when we play them again, Kane in in our lineup and tunes him in. Either that or bring up Brown to do the dirty work.
 
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Stoneman89 said:
Hartman has been a complete douchebag ever since he came into the league with the Hawks. No question he tried to injure Bouch with that cheapshot hit, and unbelievable that no call was made. Anyone could clearly see he tried to push him into the post. He's done a ton of shit just like that before, and I hope when we play them again, Kane in in our lineup and tunes him in. Either that or bring up Brown to do the dirty work.
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I must say that this drives home the point that the NHL is a very different league than it was in the old days. Had Hartman done that to say Coffey in the 80's late in a blow-out there would have been a beatdown of epic proportions. In the 2024 NHL player like Hartman are protected at the expense of the stars. Frankly, I will never understand why this is the case. It is actually bad business.
 
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I must say that this drives home the point that the NHL is a very different league than it was in the old days. Had Hartman done that to say Coffey in the 80's late in a blow-out there would have been a beatdown of epic proportions. In the 2024 NHL player like Hartman are protected at the expense of the stars. Frankly, I will never understand why this is the case. It is actually bad business.
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That's looking at the past with rose colored glasses. The NHL of the 80s/90s was as case study of ever escalating violence, frequent bench clearing brawls, players who specialized in intentionally injuring opponents, and outright assaults on the ice.

NHL isn't perfect(or even really good) on enforcing the player safety stuff, but clamping down on the brawling is one of the few forward thinking things they did when Bettman took over. If they hadn't done it at the time, they would have been forced to deal with it in the future as the era of 24/7 media and sports media networks highlighted and sensationalized every violent outburst and dangerous injury that would have resulted if the league tried to stay the course.
 
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Tarus said:
That's looking at the past with rose colored glasses. The NHL of the 80s/90s was as case study of ever escalating violence, frequent bench clearing brawls, players who specialized in intentionally injuring opponents, and outright assaults on the ice.

NHL isn't perfect(or even really good) on enforcing the player safety stuff, but clamping down on the brawling is one of the few forward thinking things they did when Bettman took over. If they hadn't done it at the time, they would have been forced to deal with it in the future as the era of 24/7 media and sports media networks highlighted and sensationalized every violent outburst and dangerous injury that would have resulted if the league tried to stay the course.
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Frequent bench clearing brawls in the 80’s and 90’s? If your definition of frequent is pretty much none in the 90’s and about 10 a year average in until Spring of 87 when they were legislated out of existence, then I guess they were frequent.



When you have rats running around today doing shit like Hartman does you need players to be able to police the game, especially when the referees are seemingly incapable of doing it and DOPS is run by Maggie the Monkey.

Today it’s a joke when there are scrums and players say their worst nasty words, politically, correct, of course, and give the stinky glove. All it does is waste time and the players look like fools for doing it. The referees should call delay of game anytime there’s a scrum because it’s just one giant pissing contest and a waste of time.

The 80s and 90s had more scraps and line brawls and not saying that that’s how the game should be played but today you can put eggs in your shoulder pads and there would hardly be any broken by the end of a game.

Today’s game basically looks like women’s hockey with no body checking, and if there is a good solid hit some douche bag thinks you need to fight at the end of it, which is laughable.

NHL is getting to the point where they might as well take the blades off sticks, get rid of the puck and just play with a big rubber ring. The pendulum has swung way too far where hockey is becoming a non-contact sport and quite frankly too many games are like watching paint dry.
 
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Tarus said:
That's looking at the past with rose colored glasses. The NHL of the 80s/90s was as case study of ever escalating violence, frequent bench clearing brawls, players who specialized in intentionally injuring opponents, and outright assaults on the ice.

NHL isn't perfect(or even really good) on enforcing the player safety stuff, but clamping down on the brawling is one of the few forward thinking things they did when Bettman took over. If they hadn't done it at the time, they would have been forced to deal with it in the future as the era of 24/7 media and sports media networks highlighted and sensationalized every violent outburst and dangerous injury that would have resulted if the league tried to stay the course.
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In fact, compared to the 70's the 80's and 90's were actually much more controlled. BUt I am happy to concede that there are definitely reasons for the change. The problem is that for whatever positive impact those changes have had the league has not addressed the sort of behaviour we have seem from guys like Hartman who is a serial offender. There is little consequence these days for players to take out stars. McDavid, Crosby...Guys like these should be protected. If it isn't going to be deterred by actions on the ice it has to be deterred by the rules. This example may have been on the tame side compared with other stuff we see these days. But it was a cheap shot that could well have ended in injury. Nurse missed a playoff game for a half-hearted fight in the last few minutes. Maybe an incident like this when the game is out of hand needs similar action because in my mind it is far worse.
 
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5 Mins 4 Ftg said:
Frequent bench clearing brawls in the 80’s and 90’s? If your definition of frequent is pretty much none in the 90’s and about 10 a year average in until Spring of 87 when they were legislated out of existence, then I guess they were frequent.



When you have rats running around today doing shit like Hartman does you need players to be able to police the game, especially when the referees are seemingly incapable of doing it and DOPS is run by Maggie the Monkey.

Today it’s a joke when there are scrums and players say their worst nasty words, politically, correct, of course, and give the stinky glove. All it does is waste time and the players look like fools for doing it. The referees should call delay of game anytime there’s a scrum because it’s just one giant pissing contest and a waste of time.

The 80s and 90s had more scraps and line brawls and not saying that that’s how the game should be played but today you can put eggs in your shoulder pads and there would hardly be any broken by the end of a game.

Today’s game basically looks like women’s hockey with no body checking, and if there is a good solid hit some douche bag thinks you need to fight at the end of it, which is laughable.

NHL is getting to the point where they might as well take the blades off sticks, get rid of the puck and just play with a big rubber ring. The pendulum has swung way too far where hockey is becoming a non-contact sport and quite frankly too many games are like watching paint dry.
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From 10(avg) bench clearing brawls per year to none in 30+ years is significant, and it was legislated out of the game for a reason(the obvious danger to everyone on the ice). That's not even accounting for line brawls(just the 10 players on the ice) which still happens, but is a once every few year thing rather than a regular occurrence like back then.

Curious you posted up a video that points out in the conclusion what I was originally alluding to - rats ran around in the 80s/90s just fine despite the threat of getting punched in the face, some of them were far worse than anyone that is in the league today could ever claim to be(Marchment, Samuelsson etc). I probably should have clarified it better in my original post, but the point was that fighting was rarely a deterrence(especially if you were the biggest, meanest fighter on the ice), usually had escalating consequences, and wouldn't have prevented Bouchard from taking that hit into the net(Impulsive people rarely think about consequences when they're doing impulsively dangerous things in the moment)

You're mostly arguing something else though, the fact that hockey has become a mostly non-contact sport these days doesn't really have anything to do with fighting or the old school idea of players policing each other. I'd like to see more hitting in the league too, but it's not going to happen. You could probably point to things like the headshot rule(which the NHL absolutely needed), bans in the development leagues, and punitive fights for hits, but I suspect the real reason is that hitting(especially going for big hits) is just an inefficient tactic in a modern league where everything revolves around systems and positional play.

It's probably only going to get worse on that front as well as fighting is already starting to get banned at the Major junior level and below. Hitting bans which are already a thing for 10 - 15 year olds are being recommended for anyone under the age of 18(Including major junior leagues) by medical professions(and likely league lawyers looking to avoid CTE lawsuits).
 
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Tarus said:
From 10(avg) bench clearing brawls per year to none in 30+ years is significant, and it was legislated out of the game for a reason(the obvious danger to everyone on the ice). That's not even accounting for line brawls(just the 10 players on the ice) which still happens, but is a once every few year thing rather than a regular occurrence like back then.

Curious you posted up a video that points out in the conclusion what I was originally alluding to - rats ran around in the 80s/90s just fine despite the threat of getting punched in the face, some of them were far worse than anyone that is in the league today could ever claim to be(Marchment, Samuelsson etc). I probably should have clarified it better in my original post, but the point was that fighting was rarely a deterrence(especially if you were the biggest, meanest fighter on the ice), usually had escalating consequences, and wouldn't have prevented Bouchard from taking that hit into the net(Impulsive people rarely think about consequences when they're doing impulsively dangerous things in the moment)

You're mostly arguing something else though, the fact that hockey has become a mostly non-contact sport these days doesn't really have anything to do with fighting or the old school idea of players policing each other. I'd like to see more hitting in the league too, but it's not going to happen. You could probably point to things like the headshot rule(which the NHL absolutely needed), bans in the development leagues, and punitive fights for hits, but I suspect the real reason is that hitting(especially going for big hits) is just an inefficient tactic in a modern league where everything revolves around systems and positional play.

It's probably only going to get worse on that front as well as fighting is already starting to get banned at the Major junior level and below. Hitting bans which are already a thing for 10 - 15 year olds are being recommended for anyone under the age of 18(Including major junior leagues) by medical professions(and likely league lawyers looking to avoid CTE lawsuits).
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I love physical hockey and I fully admit that I definitely do enjoy a good scrap, though the staged fighting I could do without. The concussion issue is a serious one. I know first hand the damage that even one can do having spent the last two plus years watching a family member struggle to recover. People are only now realizing that even minor instances involving head injuries can have long term consequences. Its one thing for pros making millions to take risks but kids are a different story. As a hockey fan I can lament that the game is changing, but there is obviously more to life than what happens on the ice.

And it is not just hockey. I coached football for years. At the high school level it was a great sport for allowing a diverse set of kids, some of who might not be so athletic, to be part of a team environment. It's cliche but participating in the sport could definitely build character and shape kids lives in a positive way. But right now I am not sure I could recommend football as an option without bringing up the downside of concussions. I rode more than once in an ambulance with kids who had head injuries. It is a sobering experience to say the least. But ironically it seems that kids have an even higher risk playing soccer. The risk through violent collision is less of course in soccer but the constant use of the head can in the long run be worse.
 
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Gordy Elbows said:
I was relieved to hear that…
Then I remembered that’s how Arvidsson’s status started.
Get well soon Bouch!
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haha, yup. Always take every injury update with the biggest grain of salt available. "who knows" is likely the best answer pretty much all the time. Somewhere between 1 day and 2 months is the real answer most times.
 
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So, with Arvidsson being MIA and possibly living in another country, that leaves Kane as our only injured guy, right? Awfully nice to have that gun in your holster for when the late season and playoffs arrive.
 
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