tony d
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I agree with this, I'm not the most politically correct person out there but I did think Chief Wahoo had to go.
Indians to abandon Chief Wahoo logo in 2019
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Cheese Wagstaff
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why no outrage over the various stereotypes depicted here?
As has already been said, the treatment of Irish-Americans in the US and Native Americans aren't really close. And Notre Dame has healthy numbers of Irish-Americans in influential positions, unlike the Indians.
Seriously I've never seen a worse argument than "what about Notre Dame" repeated endlessly.
v-man
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No, caricatures are simply illustrations where prominent/striking features are exaggerated. It has nothing to do with stereotypes.
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Do you even know what stereotype means? Those exaggerated "prominent" or "striking" features are stereotypes. Caricatures are stereotypes in picture format. If caricatures were simply illustration, we would not distinguish them from cartoons. Yet there is a big difference. And there is a reason caricature is used as a pejorative by Indigenous groups in response to Chief Wahoo.
bleedblue1223
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Not all caricatures use stereotypes. What you said was false. Just because it's a caricature, doesn't mean it's a problem. That doesn't mean problematic caricatures don't exist though.
Next is the name hopefully. Im not sure about the states, but in Canada using the word Indian and Redskin is highly offensive. Maybe when they first started it was acceptable, but now it is completly inappropriate.
The word injun is incredibly offensive. Not sure why this is allowed since its the similar to using the N word.
The word injun is incredibly offensive. Not sure why this is allowed since its the similar to using the N word.
PG Canuck
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And then in 30 years the name they changed it to from the Indians or whatever, will now be offensive. It’s a never ending cycle in this new world. Something always offends someone.
Don’t get how the Indians have to get a new logo but the Redskins/Braves/Blackhawks don’t? Why go after one thing when there are 3 others?
robert terwilliger
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Voight
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This is stupid. They mean no harm or ill intent with the name or logo.
9/10 Natives has no issue with the Redskins name so good luck to any liberals expecting that to change.
Fighting Sioux had to change their name after using it for almost 90 years.
Natives don't like the whole Tomahawk thing the Braves do, that's about it.
Blackhawks aren't going to change their name or logo after almost 100 years of using them.
9/10 Natives has no issue with the Redskins name so good luck to any liberals expecting that to change.
Fighting Sioux had to change their name after using it for almost 90 years.
Natives don't like the whole Tomahawk thing the Braves do, that's about it.
Blackhawks aren't going to change their name or logo after almost 100 years of using them.
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Duke33
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And has it has been rehashed time and time again when this ridiculous issue comes up, the Blackhawks name came from a WW I infantry division, which was named after Black Hawk, an Indian chief and as a sign of respect.
I haven't been to a game in a while either but I know many times during the singing of the anthems the Hawks have had representatives of some of the local N.A. tribes there on the ice with the color-bearers.
The whole thing is just stupid. The overwhelming majority of Native Americans have even said they don't take issue with a name like "Redskins". But the Blackhawks, who have always treated the name and logo with respect and pride, get scrutiny?
Idiocy.
bleedblue1223
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Agreed. There is a clear difference between teams/organizations that do something to honor and pay respect to Native Americans and others that simply use them as a marketing tool. The Blackhawks have never felt gimmicky or just a marketing tool to me.
Do you understand that you're getting upset about a hypothetical name change to a sports team's name potentially happening twice in the span of thirty years? To me, I can understand why some may dislike Indians in this context. I don't care one way or the other if the team changes its name for whatever reason. It's just a name and it's just a sport. It's not the end of the world if it happens. I can see why Braves and Blackhawks are different and they've been going after Redskins for years and that's obviously worse in almost every respect than the Indians much less Braves and Blackhawks.
Voight
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Wrong.
New poll finds 9 in 10 Native Americans aren’t offended by Redskins name
The people who the logo supposedly "offends" don't even care & aren't offended.
That doesn't actually prove what I said wrong. How is it demonstrated by a fairly shallow poll showing their offense to the Redskins is or isn't worse than that of the Indians and Chief Wahoo? You're only portraying a very small fraction of what is needed to prove that statement wrong.
Voight
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That poll has been done twice and had the same results both times. You might think its offensive but the people who its supposed to offend would disagree. Some are even fans of the team.
You don't get it. In order for you to prove wrong that it's worse than the Indians and their issue, you'd actually have to compare the two. You're not doing that at all. Also, both polls were fairly shallow polls and hardly indicative of much. Two polls of 500 or so twelve years apart is hardly much to be definitive about.
bleedblue1223
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Polls like that are very flawed.
Would you go up to a native and call them a "redskin" to their face? You probably wouldn't. I'm definitely not a liberal, but this is a commonsense type thing.
Would you go up to a native and call them a "redskin" to their face? You probably wouldn't. I'm definitely not a liberal, but this is a commonsense type thing.
stan the caddy
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why no outrage over the various stereotypes depicted here?
A lot of ND fans with no ties to the university support the Irish because they themselves are Irish. Not only is there no outrage over the logo, it actually has the opposite effect.
It's so silly. There's nothing stereotypical about the Indians logo. It's a cartoon, that's the style of the logo. It's not a drunk indian outside a casino. It seems more logical to have a problem with the team being called the Indians than the logo. You remove the logo and they're still the Indians.
timbermen
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I'm part irish and one eighth native,so i'm not trying to speak for anyone else.I have no problem with any of the logos except chef wahoo who's depicted as an alfred.e.nueman type of cartoonish character.Keepit respectful and it's a tribute to them.The Irish are fiercely proud people and are known and respected as good fighters.I do not find that Notre Dame logo offensive.Same with the Blackhawks,like Duke33 said,they keep it respectful and there's a history of military respect.
If i recall right, i'm pretty sure the Blackhawks actually work closely with the local installment of the Sauk tribe in regards to their logo, similarly to how Florida State has friendly ties with the Seminole nation.
They should be fine.
They should be fine.
at a hotel in Nashville and I just saw a "Keep the Chief" shirt.
i will let you guess the race of the shirt owner
i will let you guess the race of the shirt owner
GIN ANTONIC
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Big Poppa Puck
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Apparently Thome wants to have the C (which he only wore a ONE time) on his plaque instead of Wahoo, but said he'll let the HoF make the call. Hopefully the hall makes the right call and goes with Wahoo. We shouldn't be ignoring history.
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