in for a hot year for Kyrou or what do you think?

[Majorityof1]

Schenn who is winning 50.6% of his faceoffs can't be a faceoff? Are we also forgetting that Kyrou produced 2.59 points/60 with Schenn last season in just over 300 minutes of 5v5 time, as a comp it was 1.94 with Thomas.

Schenn is at 46% all situations for the year in natural stat trick. Not sure why your stats are different. Regardless Schenn hasn't been his C or played with him during his pointless streak.

Holloway last game was 28% faceoff 5v5, and Buchnevich was also 28% against both ottawa and Montreal. That is his 3 game pointless streak. Those are his "centers" for those games. His C is losing almost 3 faceoffs to 1 when he is on the ice. That makes it much harder to score.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Schenn is at 46% all situations for the year in natural stat trick. Not sure why your stats are different. Regardless Schenn hasn't been his C or played with him during his pointless streak.

Holloway last game was 28% faceoff 5v5, and Buchnevich was also 28% against both ottawa and Montreal. That is his 3 game pointless streak. Those are his "centers" for those games. His C is losing almost 3 faceoffs to 1 when he is on the ice. That makes it much harder to score.

Brayden Schenn Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Salary, Title | Hockey-Reference.com

Schenn has the same for all strengths in natural too.

And I didn't bring up Schenn because he was his center, I brought him up to counter your ridiculous statement about Faksa, who also wasn't his center.

 

[Majorityof1]

Brayden Schenn Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Salary, Title | Hockey-Reference.com

Schenn has the same for all strengths in natural too.

And I didn't bring up Schenn because he was his center, I brought him up to counter your ridiculous statement about Faksa, who also wasn't his center.

Weird, not sure where I got 46% from.

The central argument is whether Kyrou is to blame so I think it matters more what that the Cs he is playing with while struggling are doing. So congrats, you are hereby awarded intternet points that you disproved my hyperbolic statement

 

[bleedblue1223]

Weird, not sure where I got 46% from.

The central argument is whether Kyrou is to blame so I think it matters more what that the Cs he is playing with while struggling are doing. So congrats, you are hereby awarded intternet points that you disproved my hyperbolic statement

It's not even that. It's that Kyrou since the first 3 games has been poor. And it's not even a situation where his linemates suck so bad that he isn't getting chances, or that there are so many injuries that his deployment has changed to a heavy defensive focus. He's shooting 6.1%, hasn't scored in 10 games, and while being one of our top offensive weapons, our PP sucks. And I can agree that a Thomas injury and having Buchnevich at center will have an impact, it seems all accontability for Kyrou's performance is just thrown at Army instead.

Kyrou scored at a high rate with Schenn last season. Mean, he doesn't need a high-end center to score. Now yes, without Thomas, it will change on defenses defend our team and Kyrou, but we've also faced some of the worst defenses in that stretch, and Kyrou's drought started before Thomas got hurt.

All blame should not fall on Kyrou like others seem to think, but the idea that he should carry none or very little is also silly.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Schenn-Kyrou gets eaten alive defensively. I'd rather them not be together.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Their xGF% really wasn't bad, it was 49.78% last season. Actual results were fine too during 5v5, 16 goals for, and 15 against.

 

[Majorityof1]

Their xGF% really wasn't bad, it was 49.78% last season. Actual results were fine too during 5v5, 16 goals for, and 15 against.

Without looking up the data, I'd assume they would be sheltered when paired while Thomas-Buch got the heavier defensive and QoC load. Again, without Thomas that pair would suffer.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Their xGF% really wasn't bad, it was 49.78% last season. Actual results were fine too during 5v5, 16 goals for, and 15 against.

Even Strength last year they had a 5.73 GA/60 and a 3.77 GF/60

 

[bleedblue1223]

Even Strength last year they had a 5.73 GA/60 and a 3.77 GF/60

Because of empty net situations, not because of 5v5 situations. Even-strength includes empty net.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Without looking up the data, I'd assume they would be sheltered when paired while Thomas-Buch got the heavier defensive and QoC load. Again, without Thomas that pair would suffer.

Sure, but the argument being presented is that Kyrou can't produce with any of these centers, and that Army should be solely accountable, not the players. And again, Kyrou's goal scoring drought started with Thomas in the lineup.

Does Kyrou just get a complete pass while Thomas is injured? If so, we can just leave the conversation here.

 

[Majorityof1]

Sure, but the argument being presented is that Kyrou can't produce with any of these centers, and that Army should be solely accountable, not the players. And again, Kyrou's goal scoring drought started with Thomas in the lineup.

Does Kyrou just get a complete pass while Thomas is injured? If so, we can just leave the conversation here.

No, my argument has always been that this team as constructed by Armstrong, cannot sustain a Thomas injury. The remaining team is so bad without Thomas that everyone gets a pass on not producing if the effort is there and they are generally doing the right things when they get the opportunity.

Kyrou is clearly trying but is not getting results because the deck is so stacked against him with Thomas out. We have no Cs AND defenses gave been able to now key on him.

Let's flip it. What exactly would you have him do to be better? Just convert on his shots? I don't know what to tell you, over a small sample size, sometimes they just don't go in. Most players get a pass as long as they are shooting, Kyrou gets torched by fans.

 

[bleedblue1223]

No, my argument has always been that this team as constructed by Armstrong, cannot sustain a Thomas injury. The remaining team s so bad without Thomas that everyone gets a pass on not producing if the effort is there a d they are generally doing the right things when tgey face the opportunity.

Kyrou us clearly trying but is not getting results because the deck is so stacked against him with Thomas out. We have no Cs AND defenses gave been able to niw key on him.

Let's flip it. What exactly would you have him do to be better? Just convert on his shots? I don't know what to tell you, over a small sample size, sometimes they just don't go in. Most players get a pass as long as they are shooting, Kyrou gets torched by fans.

You're telling me that most players get a pass when they go on a 10 game goal scoring drought? Or that most 30 goal scorers get a free pass for that? You're telling me guys like Schenn or Tarasenko were never criticized during various goal scoring droughts that they would have?

Or a late game turnover in the middle of the zone, and the reaction is, no big deal, what do you expect. That's crazy. I get you are doing it to counter the other side that just wants to put all blame on Kyrou, but come on.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

To the above, I agree that we are being slightly lenient and that we "should expect" better play.

"Should" and "expect" are terms that I loathe at a consciousness level.

 

[Majorityof1]

You're telling me that most players get a pass when they go on a 10 game goal scoring drought? Or that most 30 goal scorers get a free pass for that? You're telling me guys like Schenn or Tarasenko were never criticized during various goal scoring droughts that they would have?

Or a late game turnover in the middle of the zone, and the reaction is, no big deal, what do you expect. That's crazy. I get you are doing it to counter the other side that just wants to put all blame on Kyrou, but come on.

The turnover, I'll always give a pass for single mistake. He was trying to do too much late in the game and he got caught. This was amplified because it turned into a goal against in a tied game. He made a mistake. He needs to learn from it. If it happens a lot, we can talk. Other players have brutal turnovers this year and nobody is calling them out or holding them responsible.

As for a goal scorers going through a drought, they get a pass if:

- They are shooting - 1st in shots, iCF, iSCF,
- They are still putting up points - 1st in points, 50% more than the 2 tied for 2nd. On pace for 67 points.
- He is playing well defensively - 2nd on team in GF% and one of 4 forwards above 50%. 5th on team in xgf%.

Bottom line, he isn't scoring but he is getting off opportunities, setting up teammates and holding his own defensively, all with a really shitty lineup the last 4 games. Singling him out as being a problem on THIS f***ing team is ridiculous and shows a clear bias against him that pervades the discourse around this team.

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

Kyrou makes a bad play, pitchforks and torches come out. Although at this point those are never even put away.

Kyrou registers a primary assist, dissertation on why he was lucky to get that point.

 

[Reality Czech]

He started the year with 3 straight multi-point games and had 9 total points through our first 8 games. That would be a 92 point pace. If the last 3 games changes our assessment down to a 'pretty rough start' then I have a hard time saying that the expectation isn't 90+ points. It is also worth noting that 8 of his 9 points have either been the goal or the primary assist, so it isn't like he has just been piling up secondary assists. He needs to figure out how to get rid of these extended goalless streaks, but unlike past such streaks he is tangibly driving offense while he can't bury the puck.

He's had 4 multi-point games out of 11 this year, which puts him on pace for 29.8 multi-point games over an 82 game season. That's a lot.

90 point player Brayden Point had 23 of those last year.
94 point player Sidney Crosby had 23 of those last season.
94 point player Filip Forsberg had 29 of them last season.
94 point player Sam Reinhart had 25 of them last season.
96 point player Kirill Kaprizov had 27 of them last season.
98 point player William Nylander had 28 of them last season.

That's the full list of forwards who scored 90-99 points last season. Kyrou's frequency of multi-point efforts so far this season are right on par with the 90+ point guys. I think we all agree that the issue is consistency. But my point is that the level of consistency that would be deemed 'meeting expectations' would put him right at a 90 point pace. It is fair and reasonable to point out the slumps, but in doing that you can't ignore and take for granted the multi-point nights.

There is room for improvement in Kyrou's start. There is room for improvement in his consistency. There is room for improvement in his play beyond point production.

But I really disagree with the notion that he's had a pretty rough start this year. His production through 11 games in the 2 previous seasons was 4 points and 6 points. He had a single multi-point effort in each of those seasons. He was a deeply minus player in 2022/23 (-17 lol) and slightly minus in 2023/24 (-2). He's +1 this season and we are outscoring our opponent 8-5 when he is on the ice at 5 on 5.

He has been 1 of out top 2 forwards this year and there is a sizeable gap between the top 2 and everyone else. The other one of those top 2 forwards is now injured and hasn't played through Kyrou's most recent scoring drought. Remember how I mentioned his 4 multi-point games? No other forward on team has more than 2 and the entire rest of the forward group has combined for just 8 of them (Thomas/Buch with 2 each while Holloway/Neighbours/Joseph/Saad have 1 each).

Again, there is certainly room for improvement in his game, but I just absolutely do not agree that he's had a pretty rough start. His play through 11 games this year is pretty damn far down the list of issues with this team.

I would prefer fewer multipoint games if it meant Kyrou was a factor in a higher percentage of games. The fact that he only has points in less than 50% of our games is not good. He's been disappointing so far in my opinion. He's the kind of guy that will score 2-3 points in a blowout but then not be able to score in a tight game when we really need a goal.

Kyrou makes a bad play, pitchforks and torches come out. Although at this point those are never even put away.

Kyrou registers a primary assist, dissertation on why he was lucky to get that point.

Well, his careless mistake literally cost us the game. Our supposed top goal scorer hasn't scored a goal in 10 games. Both of those things are worthy of criticism.

Not sure why some fans defend him so much. He's not a kid anymore, he's a 26 year old making over $8 million per year. He needs to be better, pure and simple.

 

[TheOrganist]

Kyrou has generated 11 more scoring chances than the next closest Blue...you can't say he hasn't been dangerous this year. He's shooting 4% right now...his issue is his finishing. You could see it on the road trip...he was all over the place been can't score right now. Hopefully it starts to correct.

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

Well, his careless mistake literally cost us the game. Our supposed top goal scorer hasn't scored a goal in 10 games. Both of those things are worthy of criticism.

Not sure why some fans defend him so much. He's not a kid anymore, he's a 26 year old making over $8 million per year. He needs to be better, pure and simple.

There's a massive gulf between criticizing the stuff that he should be criticized for and the complete dog piling he receives.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Kyrou is the Devil.

 

[Reality Czech]

There's a massive gulf between criticizing the stuff that he should be criticized for and the complete dog piling he receives.

Does he really get dog piled if you ignore comments from that one poster who is way over the top with his Kyrou bashing? I don't take those kind of comments seriously.

I like JK a lot, he can just frustrate the hell out of me at times.

 

[Majorityof1]

I would prefer fewer multipoint games if it meant Kyrou was a factor in a higher percentage of games. The fact that he only has points in less than 50% of our games is not good. He's been disappointing so far in my opinion. He's the kind of guy that will score 2-3 points in a blowout but then not be able to score in a tight game when we really need a goal.

What blowout have we had this year? He had 9 points in the first 8 games. We had 1 "blowout" in that time. His points in that blowout came on the first goal, so not garbage time, and the 3rd goal when we were up one which was also important. None of his points have come when we were up 2 or more. This is completely made up BS. This is the piling on. You think you are being fair and measured but you just totally made up an unsubstantiated critique against him out of thin air backed by zero real information.