in for a hot year for Kyrou or what do you think?

[Majorityof1]

Schenn who is winning 50.6% of his faceoffs can't be a faceoff? Are we also forgetting that Kyrou produced 2.59 points/60 with Schenn last season in just over 300 minutes of 5v5 time, as a comp it was 1.94 with Thomas.

Schenn is at 46% all situations for the year in natural stat trick. Not sure why your stats are different. Regardless Schenn hasn't been his C or played with him during his pointless streak.

Holloway last game was 28% faceoff 5v5, and Buchnevich was also 28% against both ottawa and Montreal. That is his 3 game pointless streak. Those are his "centers" for those games. His C is losing almost 3 faceoffs to 1 when he is on the ice. That makes it much harder to score.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Schenn is at 46% all situations for the year in natural stat trick. Not sure why your stats are different. Regardless Schenn hasn't been his C or played with him during his pointless streak.

Holloway last game was 28% faceoff 5v5, and Buchnevich was also 28% against both ottawa and Montreal. That is his 3 game pointless streak. Those are his "centers" for those games. His C is losing almost 3 faceoffs to 1 when he is on the ice. That makes it much harder to score.

Brayden Schenn Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Salary, Title | Hockey-Reference.com

Schenn has the same for all strengths in natural too.

And I didn't bring up Schenn because he was his center, I brought him up to counter your ridiculous statement about Faksa, who also wasn't his center.

 

[Majorityof1]

Brayden Schenn Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Salary, Title | Hockey-Reference.com

Schenn has the same for all strengths in natural too.

And I didn't bring up Schenn because he was his center, I brought him up to counter your ridiculous statement about Faksa, who also wasn't his center.

Weird, not sure where I got 46% from.

The central argument is whether Kyrou is to blame so I think it matters more what that the Cs he is playing with while struggling are doing. So congrats, you are hereby awarded intternet points that you disproved my hyperbolic statement

 

[bleedblue1223]

Weird, not sure where I got 46% from.

The central argument is whether Kyrou is to blame so I think it matters more what that the Cs he is playing with while struggling are doing. So congrats, you are hereby awarded intternet points that you disproved my hyperbolic statement

It's not even that. It's that Kyrou since the first 3 games has been poor. And it's not even a situation where his linemates suck so bad that he isn't getting chances, or that there are so many injuries that his deployment has changed to a heavy defensive focus. He's shooting 6.1%, hasn't scored in 10 games, and while being one of our top offensive weapons, our PP sucks. And I can agree that a Thomas injury and having Buchnevich at center will have an impact, it seems all accontability for Kyrou's performance is just thrown at Army instead.

Kyrou scored at a high rate with Schenn last season. Mean, he doesn't need a high-end center to score. Now yes, without Thomas, it will change on defenses defend our team and Kyrou, but we've also faced some of the worst defenses in that stretch, and Kyrou's drought started before Thomas got hurt.

All blame should not fall on Kyrou like others seem to think, but the idea that he should carry none or very little is also silly.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Schenn-Kyrou gets eaten alive defensively. I'd rather them not be together.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Their xGF% really wasn't bad, it was 49.78% last season. Actual results were fine too during 5v5, 16 goals for, and 15 against.

 

[Majorityof1]

Their xGF% really wasn't bad, it was 49.78% last season. Actual results were fine too during 5v5, 16 goals for, and 15 against.

Without looking up the data, I'd assume they would be sheltered when paired while Thomas-Buch got the heavier defensive and QoC load. Again, without Thomas that pair would suffer.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Their xGF% really wasn't bad, it was 49.78% last season. Actual results were fine too during 5v5, 16 goals for, and 15 against.

Even Strength last year they had a 5.73 GA/60 and a 3.77 GF/60

 

[bleedblue1223]

Even Strength last year they had a 5.73 GA/60 and a 3.77 GF/60

Because of empty net situations, not because of 5v5 situations. Even-strength includes empty net.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Without looking up the data, I'd assume they would be sheltered when paired while Thomas-Buch got the heavier defensive and QoC load. Again, without Thomas that pair would suffer.

Sure, but the argument being presented is that Kyrou can't produce with any of these centers, and that Army should be solely accountable, not the players. And again, Kyrou's goal scoring drought started with Thomas in the lineup.

Does Kyrou just get a complete pass while Thomas is injured? If so, we can just leave the conversation here.

 

[Majorityof1]

Sure, but the argument being presented is that Kyrou can't produce with any of these centers, and that Army should be solely accountable, not the players. And again, Kyrou's goal scoring drought started with Thomas in the lineup.

Does Kyrou just get a complete pass while Thomas is injured? If so, we can just leave the conversation here.

No, my argument has always been that this team as constructed by Armstrong, cannot sustain a Thomas injury. The remaining team s so bad without Thomas that everyone gets a pass on not producing if the effort is there a d they are generally doing the right things when tgey face the opportunity.

Kyrou us clearly trying but is not getting results because the deck is so stacked against him with Thomas out. We have no Cs AND defenses gave been able to niw key on him.

Let's flip it. What exactly would you have him do to be better? Just convert on his shots? I don't know what to tell you, over a small sample size, sometimes they just don't go in. Most players get a pass as long as they are shooting, Kyrou gets torched by fans.

 

[bleedblue1223]

No, my argument has always been that this team as constructed by Armstrong, cannot sustain a Thomas injury. The remaining team s so bad without Thomas that everyone gets a pass on not producing if the effort is there a d they are generally doing the right things when tgey face the opportunity.

Kyrou us clearly trying but is not getting results because the deck is so stacked against him with Thomas out. We have no Cs AND defenses gave been able to niw key on him.

Let's flip it. What exactly would you have him do to be better? Just convert on his shots? I don't know what to tell you, over a small sample size, sometimes they just don't go in. Most players get a pass as long as they are shooting, Kyrou gets torched by fans.

You're telling me that most players get a pass when they go on a 10 game goal scoring drought? Or that most 30 goal scorers get a free pass for that? You're telling me guys like Schenn or Tarasenko were never criticized during various goal scoring droughts that they would have?

Or a late game turnover in the middle of the zone, and the reaction is, no big deal, what do you expect. That's crazy. I get you are doing it to counter the other side that just wants to put all blame on Kyrou, but come on.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

To the above, I agree that we are being slightly lenient and that we "should expect" better play.

"Should" and "expect" are terms that I loathe at a consciousness level.

 

[Majorityof1]

You're telling me that most players get a pass when they go on a 10 game goal scoring drought? Or that most 30 goal scorers get a free pass for that? You're telling me guys like Schenn or Tarasenko were never criticized during various goal scoring droughts that they would have?

Or a late game turnover in the middle of the zone, and the reaction is, no big deal, what do you expect. That's crazy. I get you are doing it to counter the other side that just wants to put all blame on Kyrou, but come on.

The turnover, I'll always give a pass for single mistake. He was trying to do too much late in the game and he got caught. This was amplified because it turned into a goal against in a tied game. He made a mistake. He needs to learn from it. If it happens a lot, we can talk. Other players have brutal turnovers this year and nobody is calling them out or holding them responsible.

As for a goal scorers going through a drought, they get a pass if:

- They are shooting - 1st in shots, iCF, iSCF,
- They are still putting up points - 1st in points, 50% more than the 2 tied for 2nd. On pace for 67 points.
- He is playing well defensively - 2nd on team in GF% and one of 4 forwards above 50%. 5th on team in xgf%.

Bottom line, he isn't scoring but he is getting off opportunities, setting up teammates and holding his own defensively, all with a really shitty lineup the last 4 games. Singling him out as being a problem on THIS f***ing team is ridiculous and shows a clear bias against him that pervades the discourse around this team.