In case anyone still thinks McDavid isn’t a great playoff performer, know this.

[nbwingsfan]

Where did this scenario come from?

You’re the one saying the best players “will” their team to a Cup. It’s a scenario where I’m asking could McDavid “will” his team to a win if his goalie is letting in 6 or 7 goals?

To give you a scenario that has happened… he scored 4pts essentially on nothing but individual efforts to tie the game against LA in game 1. And they still lost.

So he deserves criticism for not scoring 5+ pts?

 

[nbwingsfan]

I know its hard to understand this concept, but winning in 6 is better than losing in 7, especially when 6 is the clinching game for the Cup. MacKinnon can never win another series in his career and he is still a Stanley Cup Champion.

So why didn’t MacKinnon win any of those series in 6 games then?

 

[NVious]

One of your stars are more likely to come to Edmonton than McDavid to Toronto.

It's year 10 of McDrai, 2 Lemieux like playoff performers, the Oilers have a historically terrible 3rd round draft pick who got booted in round 1 backing up a career journeyman basically AHLer who has had a 900 and below save percentage in 6 NHL seasons as their starting goalies.

Unacceptable and grounds for McDavid to leave.

 

[PuckG]

It's year 10 of McDrai, 2 Lemieux like playoff performers, the Oilers have a historically terrible 3rd round draft pick who got booted in round 1 backing up a career journeyman basically AHLer who has had a 900 and below save percentage in 6 NHL seasons as their starting goalies.

Unacceptable and grounds for McDavid to leave.

And so your suggestion is that he goes to the one place that is very clearly worse in Toronto?

Do that same summary for the Leafs now. Don’t forget to include playoff results. Then re-evaluate if your original statement is nonsense or not.

 

[Rhaegar Targaryen]

For many years the narative was that he should learn how to play playoffs hockey, that his production drops in playoffs. 9 points in 13 games was terrible. That he focuses too much on scoring in regular season instead of saving his energy for playoffs.

This narative slowed down after 2021-22 season, but there are still posters blaming him for not winning a cup or 3.

I definitely think for a player of McDavid’s calibre, 9 points in 13 games is disappointing. But it was also his first time in the playoffs, and sometimes you just don’t get the results you wanna get.

But he’s certainly come alive since that run. To put up 42 points in a single playoff run is absolutely unreal. You easily have to look around him to find the problem on why you don’t come away with the Cup.

Hopefully he wins his. Oilers have some injuries on D and McDavid is fast approaching 30, he’s not young anymore. But I don’t think him not winning is any fault of his own.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I am sorry what? You can't win multiple Stanley Cups in a year.

You sure about that? Flyers fans used to act like they won the Cup every single time they beat the Pens in a game.

 

[landy]

The Avs are out. They’re not beating anyone up. Besides that, they went a whopping 5-4 against the Pacific playoff teams this season.

This is a shell of the Avs Cup winning team from a few years back and let’s not pretend otherwise.

The last guy compared MacKinnon to Saad like he was some passenger on a Cup winning team.

Any context on those Pacific games? How many were Georgiev? How many were end of the season with guys sitting? And why choose only Pacific playoff teams?

 

[PuckG]

As will MacKinnon/Makar. I wish they had the Pacific to beat up and start trying in the WCF, but McDavid may have challenges finally when he goes to the Atlantic.

Were not talknig about Pat Maroon here.

The last guy compared MacKinnon to Saad like he was some passenger on a Cup winning team.

Any context on those Pacific games? How many were Georgiev? How many were end of the season with guys sitting? And why choose only Pacific playoff teams?

As per your original statement of “Wishing the Avs could beat up on the Pacific,” I assumed you were referring to competitive playoff teams. Why would you be referring to the bottom of the barrel divisional teams that every playoff team beats up on?

Every team has issues and injuries. Every playoff team had guys sitting to rest.

At the end of the day, the Avs are “beating up” on absolutely nobody.

 

[edevils]

You’re the one saying the best players “will” their team to a Cup. It’s a scenario where I’m asking could McDavid “will” his team to a win if his goalie is letting in 6 or 7 goals?

To give you a scenario that has happened… he scored 4pts essentially on nothing but individual efforts to tie the game against LA in game 1. And they still lost.

So he deserves criticism for not scoring 5+ pts?

Who is criticizing him? And if someone is, why are you targeting me?

4 points is impressive. His team didn't win the game though, which is why you play the game.

I'm not going to award him a Stanley Cup if he hasn't won a championship yet.

Win a cup and he's a champion, if he doesn't win a cup, he's not a champion at the highest level.

Sorry, that's just reality.

 

[NVious]

And so your suggestion is that he goes to the one place that is very clearly worse in Toronto?

Do that same summary for the Leafs now. Don’t forget to include playoff results. Then re-evaluate if your original statement is nonsense or not.

McDrai are the Oilers, the Leafs are a better top to bottom team, they have goaltending, they have defense, just unlike McDrai their guys don't show up in the playoffs, 3/4 of them see a massive dip season to playoff production.

The idea that McDrai are in their final prime years and the Oilers are relying on a journeyman AHLer with one of the worst techniques to make it to the NHL says it all. It's been a colossal failure to get the talent McDrai need and even then Kane and Hyman literally fell into their laps. Ekholm is the one great acquisition they've made, except that's easily cancelled by the fact that they've lost way more great players.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Who is criticizing him? And if someone is, why are you targeting me?

4 points is impressive. His team didn't win the game though, which is why you play the game.

I'm not going to award him a Stanley Cup if he hasn't won a championship yet.

Win a cup and he's a champion, if he doesn't win a cup, he's not a champion at the highest level.

Sorry, that's just reality.

The reality is a player can’t “will his team” to a Stanley Cup on his own like you’ve stated a few times in here.

 

[Hisch13r]

People who don’t think McDavid’s a playoff performer aren’t worth engaging with.

 

[PuckG]

McDrai are the Oilers, the Leafs are a better top to bottom team, they have goaltending, they have defense, just unlike McDrai their guys don't show up in the playoffs, 3/4 of them see a massive dip season to playoff production.

The idea that McDrai are in their final prime years and the Oilers are relying on a journeyman AHLer with one of the worst techniques to make it to the NHL says it all. It's been a colossal failure to get the talent McDrai need and even then Kane and Hyman literally fell into their laps. Ekholm is the one great acquisition they've made, except that's easily cancelled by the fact that they've lost way more great players.

Again, this is you entirely ignoring results of the playoffs for the past 5 years in which the Oilers have only been eliminated by the eventual cup winner. Do the same summary for Toronto. It’s worse. This is the first year in the core 4’s entire tenure that there is even slight belief you can get past Florida.

Why would McDavid want to go from a contender to a team that has been a regular 1st round exit up until this year?

 

[edevils]

The reality is a player can’t “will his team” to a Stanley Cup on his own like you’ve stated a few times in here.

McDavid hasn't won a championship yet, but he's had epic performances.

When he has an epic playoff and his team wins it all, that's willing your team to win.

So yes, players can will their team to a championship.

McDavid hasn't done so yet.

 

[NVious]

Again, this is you entirely ignoring results of the playoffs for the past 5 years in which the Oilers have only been eliminated by the eventual cup winner. Do the same summary for Toronto. It’s worse. This is the first year in the core 4’s entire tenure that there is even slight belief you can get past Florida.

Suggesting that McDavid would go from the badly managed Oilers to the even worse managed Leafs is certainly something.

And why are they eliminated? Bad goaltending and bad defense, the Leafs are eliminated because their stars performances drop 20-30% come playoff time, meanwhile McDrai's go up that amount and they still get eliminated.

You can cope however you want but their abysmal goaltending and defense stats speak for themselves. McDavid has literally equaled Lemieux's playoff ppg and Drai isn't too far off and in year 10 Calvin Pickard and Stuart Skinner are the guys he's counting to stop pucks lmao.

 

[PuckG]

McDavid hasn't won a championship yet, but he's had epic performances.

When he has an epic playoff and his team wins it all, that's willing your team to win.

So yes, players can will their team to a championship.

McDavid hasn't done so yet.

You’re watching the wrong sport. It’s not basketball. No single player can will their team to a Stanley Cup in hockey. Aside from a goaltender, players are playing an approximate maximum of 30 minutes a game out of 60 minutes. Some basic comprehension of the sport is required here..

 

[PuckG]

And why are they eliminated? Bad goaltending and bad defense, the Leafs are eliminated because their stars performances drop 20-30% come playoff time, meanwhile McDrai's go up that amount and they still get eliminated.

You can cope however you want but their abysmal goaltending and defense stats speak for themselves. McDavid has literally equaled Lemieux's playoff ppg and Drai isn't too far off and in year 10 Calvin Pickard and Stuart Skinner are the guys he's counting to stop pucks lmao.

But the results of the “bad goaltending” and “bad defence” are substantially more meaningful than your statement that Toronto has better defence and goaltending.

The so called bad players on the Oilers have made substantial runs to the Cup while the Leafs with good players are a first round exit. The two teams aren’t comparable from that standpoint. The abysmal results of the Leafs speak for itself.

Not sure what is confusing here. Your label of the players and the results just don’t align.

 

[Bank Shot]

As will MacKinnon/Makar. I wish they had the Pacific to beat up and start trying in the WCF, but McDavid may have challenges finally when he goes to the Atlantic.

Were not talknig about Pat Maroon here.

I'm tired of pretending Mackinnon hasn't been turning into a massive playoff choker the last few seasons.

He needs to lay off the cheeseburgers and get back to the gym.

 

[edevils]

You’re watching the wrong sport. It’s not basketball. No single player can will their team to a Stanley Cup in hockey. Aside from a goaltender, players are playing an approximate maximum of 30 minutes a game out of 60 minutes. Some basic comprehension of the sport is required here..

So players have no effect in the locker room or at practices or on flights back or in the video room, or team chemistry or morale.

Players have no bearing on their team besides the 20 minutes they're on the ice.

RIGHT? This is essentially what you're saying?

Players dissappear except for the 20 minutes a night they play. Got it. Thanks for this gem.

 

[PuckG]

So players have no effect in the locker room or at practices or on flights back or in the video room, or team chemistry or morale.

Players have no bearing on their team besides the 20 minutes they're on the ice.

RIGHT? This is essentially what you're saying?

Players dissappear except for the 20 minutes a night they play. Got it. Thanks for this gem.

How many times is McDavid supposed to yell “Right ****ing now.”

Are you suggesting that McDavid hasn’t willed his team to a Stanley Cup on the flights and in the video room? If so, based on what?

Again, some basic comprehension of the sport will help here.

 

[Huggy]

Points dont win games.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

How many times is McDavid supposed to yell “Right ****ing now.”

Are you suggesting that McDavid hasn’t willed his team to a Stanley Cup on the flights and in the video room? If so, based on what?

Again, some basic comprehension of the sport will help here.

You're engaging with a guy that's now moved the goal posts into what McDavid says to teammates on the plane

 

[landy]

You’re the one saying the best players “will” their team to a Cup. It’s a scenario where I’m asking could McDavid “will” his team to a win if his goalie is letting in 6 or 7 goals?

To give you a scenario that has happened… he scored 4pts essentially on nothing but individual efforts to tie the game against LA in game 1. And they still lost.

So he deserves criticism for not scoring 5+ pts?

That specific game, he deserves criticism for coasting for 3 goals against. Unreal offense, zero defense.

 

[PuckG]

Points dont win games.

Then why score at all?

 

[landy]

I'm tired of pretending Mackinnon hasn't been turning into a massive playoff choker the last few seasons.

He needs to lay off the cheeseburgers and get back to the gym.

You act like this is 2012 talking about rookie Jagr winning the Cup with the Pens in 1990. It was 2022 and MacKinnon was monstrous in that run and clinching game. And this year specifically, MacKinnon was great. Everyone else sucked.

Also talk shit about MacKinnon when you have a pic of McDavid like this.