In case anyone still thinks McDavid isn’t a great playoff performer, know this.

[SavBigMoneyAtBedards]

Best player in the world is also great in the playoffs.

News at 11.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Does anyone actually not think he’s an all time great playoff performer? I get that there’s a few trolls here and there but HF posters are by and large a very knowledgeable group about hockey.

You don’t even have to like the Oilers to enjoy watching McDavid play, especially in the playoffs where he finds even another gear.

Edit: I guess there is one in this thread that doesn’t think so. Hard to tell if @Fatass is being serious or not

Nobody actually thinks that, but it is used against him when comparing him to all time greats with multiple cups like jonathan toews and sidney crosby

 

[Macheteops]

How much of a say does he have in roster construction?
His agent is the boss...why not push for a real goalie?
So depending on how much stroke he has, he could be at fault on the management side as well.

And he hasn't solved world hunger or cured cancer yet. Like is he even trying!?

 

[Draiskull]

McDavid may be a decent playoffs performer, but Brown is the greatest Connor in playoffs.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Has anyone ever said he isnt a great playoff performer or regular season for that matter? No.

YOU were literally one of them, also claiming MacKinnon >> McDavid because he’s not “McLoser” (how’s MacKinnon’s game 7s going btw) ….

 

[Oilslick941611]

He needs to be closer to 4 points per game to make up for the Oilers goaltending.

Team seems to be doing fine with him as is.

 

[Oilslick941611]

McDavid may be a decent playoffs performer, but Brown is the greatest Connor in playoffs.

the best thing about Brown is once the playoffs hit, he finds another gear, We have no expectations from Brown, especially during the season last year and he managed to disapoint us anyway, then in the playoffs he found his role and did very well, well enough that he was re-signed and had a better season, played more minutes and again so far, as found another gear in the playoffs for us, him and Janmark have been great. Saved energy in the Regular season for the playoffs. We dont appreciate them enough.

 

[BB79]

He has 108 points over 60 games in his past 4 postseasons.

Damn, that's insane, almost 2 points per playoff game on average

 

[nbwingsfan]

the best thing about Brown is once the playoffs hit, he finds another gear, We have no expectations from Brown, especially during the season last year and he managed to disapoint us anyway, then in the playoffs he found his role and did very well, well enough that he was re-signed and had a better season, played more minutes and again so far, as found another gear in the playoffs for us, him and Janmark have been great. Saved energy in the Regular season for the playoffs. We dont appreciate them enough.

Janmark has been such a beast in the post season for EDM

 

[landy]

YOU were literally one of them, also claiming MacKinnon >> McDavid because he’s not “McLoser” (how’s MacKinnon’s game 7s going btw) ….

Monster difference between saying hes a bad playoff performer and saying he puts up 4 points, while letting in 3 playing little to no defense.

lol at bringing MacKinnon into this with his 7 goals in 7 games. Maybe rip the rest of his team.

And still and will never change. Winning game 6 of the SCF to clinch >>>>>> all the game 7s in the world losing.

McDavid is a loser until he isnt. This is simple math. He can put up 50 points agains the crappy pacific and lose again and all we will remember is the loss.

 

[edevils]

What does this have to do with anything ? Point is he’s putting up all time level performances, and anyone blaming him for the oilers not winning yet simply has an agenda

Agenda? Please don't be so dramatic. Not everyone is out to get your player.

Points are important, yes.

The best leaders in sports will their teams to victory. He hasn't yet.

He'll win one eventually, but if he doesn't win this year, he's not above criticism.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Janmark has been such a beast in the post season for EDM

last year too.

he was the one who spoke in the locker room after a loss the hurricanes and turned the oilers season around. Guy is underrated because he doesn't play flashy. He's the guy every teams needs more of, and if they have one, they need another. Even after his amazing run last year in the playoffs, Oiler fans still gave him shit during the season for not being McDavid. I love the guy.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Monster difference between saying hes a bad playoff performer and saying he puts up 4 points, while letting in 3 playing little to no defense.

lol at bringing MacKinnon into this with his 7 goals in 7 games. Maybe rip the rest of his team.

And still and will never change. Winning game 6 of the SCF to clinch >>>>>> all the game 7s in the world losing.

McDavid is a loser until he isnt. This is simple math. He can put up 50 points agains the crappy pacific and lose again and all we will remember is the loss.

MacKinnon has never won a game 7… ever.

Also absolutely hilarious you rip on McDavid for “scoring 4pts but letting in 3” but then goes on to defend MacKinnon using *checks notes*… points.

The lack of self awareness is almost too good to be true.

 

[Draiskull]

Monster difference between saying hes a bad playoff performer and saying he puts up 4 points, while letting in 3 playing little to no defense.

lol at bringing MacKinnon into this with his 7 goals in 7 games. Maybe rip the rest of his team.

And still and will never change. Winning game 6 of the SCF to clinch >>>>>> all the game 7s in the world losing.

McDavid is a loser until he isnt. This is simple math. He can put up 50 points agains the crappy pacific and lose again and all we will remember is the loss.

So if winning a single cup makes you a winner then Brandon Saad and 100s others currently playing >>> McDavid

enjoy your one shot wonders.

McDavid will be on a gunning for the cup ride year after year for the next decade.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Agenda? Please don't be so dramatic. Not everyone is out to get your player.

Points are important, yes.

The best leaders in sports will their teams to victory. He hasn't yet.

He'll win one eventually, but if he doesn't win this year, he's not above criticism.

If it’s as simple as “willing their team to victory” then why couldn’t Gretzky do it outside of EDM?

Why could Lemieux only do it twice?

Why can’t MacKinnon win a single game 7?

Why could Ovi only do it once?

Why don’t they just “will it” every single season?

 

[Oilslick941611]

Agenda? Please don't be so dramatic. Not everyone is out to get your player.

Points are important, yes.

The best leaders in sports will their teams to victory. He hasn't yet.

He'll win one eventually, but if he doesn't win this year, he's not above criticism.

Im gonna call BS on this.

We are in a capped era with 32 teams and possibly more coming. Going forward great players not winning a cup will be more and more common. I still think McDavid will win a cup, but IMO after watching almost every game of his career not winning a cup won't harm his legacy my eyes.

Now that being said, i agree he isn't above criticism, i had my fair share of criticism for him this year and last year. He was hurt in November 2023 just before the Herritage classic, came back early and didn't look good, i was a huge on calling him out for being hurt and being too stubborn to miss a few games. Lo and behold this year, he's not shooting, not dekeing, and making low IQ plays. Then he finally sits for a while after reaggravating or getting a new injury, he comes back and hes a man on fire. So clearly I was right in my thinking of he could do better and needed to recover a little. BUT i won't criticize him for not winning a cup. He can't do it all by himself and hockey is the ultimate team game.

 

[fbuford]

Nobody has said that he isn't good in the playoffs, where are you getting this from, OP?

 

[1specter]

Agenda? Please don't be so dramatic. Not everyone is out to get your player.

Points are important, yes.

The best leaders in sports will their teams to victory. He hasn't yet.

He'll win one eventually, but if he doesn't win this year, he's not above criticism.

If the OIlers don't win this year (and they probably won't), it will be because of shoddy defense and goaltending, not because of McDavid.

 

[edevils]

If it’s as simple as “willing their team to victory” then why couldn’t Gretzky do it outside of EDM?

Why could Lemieux only do it twice?

Why can’t MacKinnon win a single game 7?

Why could Ovi only do it once?

Why don’t they just “will it” every single season?

The obvious answer is that everyone else is willing it too. It's called competition.

 

[Soundwave]

The obvious answer is that everyone else is willing it too. It's called competition.

The obvious answer is a lot is dependant on how much help you have.

When you look at MacKinnon, outside of that 2022 team that was loaded and took advantage of a frozen cap to get full value out of his bargain contract at the time to load up the roster ... MacK has serious problems getting out of round 1 or 2 otherwise with similar/a bit better rosters than what McDavid has (Draisaitl is great, but so is Makar).

Wayne and Mario plain and simple never won anything without basically All-Star teams around them. Gretzky even some how managed to lose to an Oilers team without Messier, Coffey, Kurri, Fuhr, etc. (1992 loses to the Oilers who's best player with Vincent Damphousse). Mario was having problems just making the playoffs until Pittsburgh basically just kept adding players from other championship teams (Coffey, Mullen, etc.) until he could win.

McDavid has the third highest playoff PPG in NHL history in what is frankly a better era (the goaltending is way better, the coaching is way better, the D-Men are way better than the 80s/early 90s), he obviously brings it come post-season time.

 

[Draiskull]

If the OIlers don't win this year (and they probably won't), it will be because of shoddy defense and goaltending, not because of McDavid.

you mean it would be because of the dominance of the 'core 4' in the finals?

 

[Oilslick941611]

So if winning a single cup makes you a winner then Brandon Saad and 100s others currently playing >>> McDavid

enjoy your one shot wonders.

McDavid will be on a gunning for the cup ride year after year for the next decade.

his logic is flawed.

He gives props to MacKinnon for having 7 goals in game 7's but Mackinnon has never won a game 7. Then he calls McDavid a loser for not winning a cup.

So Mackinnon getting 7 goals in game 7's = great according to him, but the team still loses then he argues that McDavid putting up points but not winning a cup makes him a loser.

I am confused here.

All he's shown is that one player can't do it all by themselves.

 

[nbwingsfan]

The obvious answer is that everyone else is willing it too. It's called competition.

Let’s say it’s game 7 and McDavid puts up 5pts, but Pickard/Skinner let in 7 while he’s not even on the ice.

McDavid deserves criticism because he didn’t score 8 and “will” his team to a Cup?

 

[Draiskull]

The obvious answer is a lot is dependant on how much help you have.

When you look at MacKinnon, outside of that 2022 team that was loaded and took advantage of a frozen cap to get full value out of his bargain contract at the time to load up the roster ... MacK has serious problems getting out of round 1 or 2 otherwise with similar/a bit better rosters than what McDavid has (Draisaitl is great, but so is Makar).

Wayne and Mario plain and simple never won anything without basically All-Star teams around them. Gretzky even some how managed to lose to an Oilers team without Messier, Coffey, Kurri, Fuhr, etc. (1992 loses to the Oilers who's best player with Vincent Damphousse).

Nichols-Damphousse-Murphy , VanAllen-Curry-Rice

Good times

 

[1specter]

you mean it would be because of the dominance of the 'core 4' in the finals?

This thread isn't about the Leafs, don't make it about them and don't be petty. I'm only keeping it respectful right now because you have a Palestine flag in your avatar.