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I guess the NHL Rulebook's more of a suggestion anyways, right?
It's a common illegal play in NFL football.
Ill-timed Stone puck dive causes Heiskanen to blow out his knee
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It's a common illegal play in NFL football.
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I dunno man, real unfortunate outcome but I just don't think Stone is diving at Heiskanen's knee to injure him. He does get a little tripped up and was trying to make a play on the puck. I know this place loves to get all red in the face and babyrage screechy anytime Mark Stone's name gets mentioned but there's quite a difference in playing fool the LTIR and missile locking your helmet into a dude's knee.
Tough luck for Miro, hopefully not out too long.
Tough luck for Miro, hopefully not out too long.
I'm starting to think sports would be better off if there were no cameras at all, just radio/audio streaming. Would do away with 100% of the dumbass debates about player intention/offsides, disallowed goals etc etc etc.
I think its quite the stretch to say that hockey is dirtier today than it was in the 80s.
No. People just lack nuance nowadays. Stone and his team play dirty with the LTIR rules therefore Stone is a dirty player.
It's tricky. Back then being dirty was a more acceptable way of playing physical so even if the cheap shots were probably worse, more egregious and did more damage, they weren't seen as dirty like they are today.
Yeah that's fair enough. Just off the top of my head I can picture Messier elbowing players with impunity, Hextall 2 handing players who came through his crease, and Dale Hunter taking out......Turgeon? Muller? well after he had finished scoring a goal. And that's just majorly egregious things. Doesn't even begin to get into all the little things that were just 'normal' parts of the game back then that would be criticized now.
Regardless, I think its foolish to say that if we didnt have the instigator rule we'd have less of those things, as we had plenty of them back before the instigator rule when every single team had an enforcer and plenty more regular players were willing to drop the gloves and stand up for themselves.
Yes, it's less acceptable now, but it also happens significantly less than it did.
That’s what makes this an unfortunate play. You can’t find fault in a player giving 110% on defense.
Giggling at what? Is there proof that he was laughing at Heiskanen getting hurt? Or is it possible people are making large assumptions?
He probably wasn't, but still, it was funny. The slow upturning of the lips into an evil grin. It looked comically villainous (I'm not saying anything about him, just the visual was amusing).
GIN ANTONIC
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Ya… I’m gonna fault him. It was a reckless play where the chance of injuring the player is a lot higher because you’re doing a superman dive around their knees
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Yeah that was a weird moment.Teeheehee look at his leg bend.
Looks kinda like ovi in that pic , hairline not as strong tho
He was flopping trying to get a penalty for hintz tapping his skate(you can tell the tap didn't cause him to fall, he fell on his own after that had already happened)
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I guess I should have worded it differently. I don't feel it is dirtier today, but I certainly feel that there are some elements of the game that are dirtier, based largely on the fact that players aren't expected to answer the bell if they do something dirty, so there is less deterrent. Maybe we just see it more because the dirty plays are deemed so much worse now than they were then.
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I'm surprised you didn't say he "Supergirl" dove into Heiskanen's knee.....
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You can see the left toe of the skate change right before Stone is trying to reach for the puck. Unfortunately we can all throw our glasses on and argue over Stone tried to dive, Stone was tripped, or Stone made a bone-headed decision here, but in the end it's all meaningless because you can't ignore the obvious stick from Hintz. I'm going to give Stone the benefit here and say he was off balance while trying to extend and reach for the puck.
That's only true because of the DoPS paradigm as it exists today. The league could decide to eliminate the moral hazard it's rule-set encourages.
I absolutely don't think Stone was trying to injure anyone. In fact, I doubt any player actually tries to injure anyone (perhaps years ago it was different). That's where I think about "intent to injure" does any professional hockey player actually have an "intent to injure" someone these days? I know there are a lot of dirty players, but even those guys, a lot of the time they are looking to hurt a guy, but not to the extent of injuring them so they can't play....problem is that make dangerous plays that can result in that.
With the Stone play, I think he took the little trip as an excuse to fall into the other guy.....oops, to see if he could get away with taking him out, that's all in was, you don't think about that as potentially hurting the player, just trying to stop him....but you don't want guys doing that, because it can be dangerous and can result in injury when you are falling towards a guys legs/knees.
Ummm.....what?
Lol. A tongue in cheek response to the non-stop threads about, 'how is that not offside?' or 'how is this a legit goal but this isn't?' or 'if you completely slow down this replay and freeze it just as player X makes contact you can see there is 100% malicious intent in his eyes!' It's a fast game, players and refs are human. Mistakes will be made. It's a game. Get over it...etc etc
I guess the NHL Rulebook's more of a suggestion anyways, right?
Whenever someone asks why was x a penalty and not y.
I do my best Captain Barbossa impersonation and say "The NHL rulebook is more what you'd call 'guidelines' than actual rules"
It's kind of the consequence of managing the games. We can only guess at their intentions and motivations. It's why the NHL would never come out and admit it. It's why Tim Peel was swept under the rug so fast and is rarely ever mentioned again.
I'm of the mind they manage to the rubber band effect. Make the games as close as possible within reason so they're exciting.
It's all about money and if introducing rubber band officiating makes the games more exciting.. more people watch.
I don't even think the NHL should necessarily fix it. If they called it by the book everyone complains and the games aren't as close.
That being said we don't know their motivations. So we can never know if the directive is for certain markets that have a lot of room for growth get favored. Because strategically for the growth of the game it makes sense to me. Is the integrity worth the risk? You'd think someone in the officiating chain would have the integrity to blow the whistle if this was the case. At least I hope so.
I don't think Stone was trying to take out Heiskanen's knee. I DO think Stone is a the kind of guy who would be careless with the health and safety of opposing players. The skate tap was enough to unbalance him to the point where he realized he could throw himself at Heiskanen and face no repercussions for a bad outcome, so that's what he did. Whether or not this could have an impact on Heiskanen's career never even crossed his mind.
When stone retires, his entire career is going to be defined by all the controversial garbage he allowed himself to be a part of. Shame, he’s a good player, but this is what he’ll forever he known for (outside of Vegas fans, who think he’s perfect in every way).
