IIHF's response to Strome and Kamenev?
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Cinderblox
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You can clearly see in the video he smacks the clipboard from the officials hand with what remains of his stick
Could be even longer, if they treat it as engaging with spectators instead of abuse of officials(which specifically considers altercations with on-ice officials). Whichever rule they apply, previous cases point towards a long suspension(and rightly so).
WarriorofTime
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Yes I've seen it. I still think some people are overreacting. He breaks his stick against the boards taken the broken end and hits it again. There is nothing to show that he was purposely wacking at the official. Sucks that the guys hand got hurt but he didn't look too out of shape about it. I'm sure he's fine. It was a clear accident that resulted from a player getting upset in a big moment.
If you go off for medical treatment, you should be required to miss a couple of shifts. Coming back immediately after lying there on the ice kicking your legs in pain? That's suspicious.
Don't do anything during the game, but it should be obvious on a replay to determine if the player was just trying to draw a call. These kids aren't great actors. If they were faking, suspend them. The message should be clear: don't embellish major-level calls or you'll get a major-level suspension.
SI90
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Calling that an accident is pushing it. I don't think he aimed at the official, but there is very little accidental about such a slash, he very much knew that a person stood right next to him.
Breaking your stick on a shot, with the rest of the stick flying away and hitting someone, that is an accident. Freaking out and making big slashes with a person standing right next to you is not. You are responsible for your actions, he broke the rules and caused an official to get injured, claiming that he didn't want to is no defense for that. That is definately enough for further punishment.
This was neither an accident, nor a deliberate attempt to injure the official, but it most definately was against the rules and you have to live with the things you cause through your actions. Plenty of players have been (rightfully) suspended for acts with which they never wanted to hurt anybody with yet did anyway.
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Yeah. Can't possibly be because the dude went mental?
Wasn't surprised at all when almost no media coverage was on the incident in Russia. You guys sure know how to blame others but can't take any ounce of critic yourselves. That was as stupid move as it can get. No place for that kind of behavior in hockey.
Exactly. Most high stickings are not intentional but players get penalized for them. What's the difference here? Emotions? If can't stand the heat...
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I would classify it as negligence as opposed to intentional misconduct. Maybe ban him from menaingless tournament but kicking him out from ever competing in the IIHF World Chanpionships would be absolutely stupid. Personally I don't think there should be any suspension at all.
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Yeah. I guess the only thing here is that the official got injured. We've seen players go on a rage rampant before. It's always condoned as it should be. But if that stick doesn't hit the notepad on the officials hand, we would all just be laughing about how Kamenev made a fool out of himself.
I think he might get some kind of suspension, since he did in fact hurt official with his negligent behavior. But he's far from the first guy to smash his stick broken out of frustration. Throwing him out of the game was a pretty hefty penalty already. The game went to OT and he wasn't able to play.
People are making this out to be intentional. Which I don't see. It was a direct result from a reckless behavior from an angry teenager. But hardly something we've never seen before. This time it just happened to have unlucky results.
The issue I was laughing at the most, was the fact that Russian media kept it un-reported for a long, long time (maybe still). Imagine US/SWE/CAN/FIN captain doing something like this and not have their actions ripped in local media. If it was Rantanen who did that, our papers would have been all over him about how stupid and child-like that behavior was.
It definitely was no accident, he was aiming to hit the clipboard. But if there was an injury, it was pretty likely coincidental. The camera doesn't show the official bleeding, so I don't know where people are picking this off. People are acting as if he cut the officials hand off.
What he did wasn't dangerous or extremely malicious, so I don't see a need for ban.
What he did wasn't dangerous or extremely malicious, so I don't see a need for ban.
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The official has came out himself and said he got a bleeding wound in his hand.
I don't know how anyone can tell if Kamenev did intentionally aim for the notepad. I think the most obvious explanation is that he hit it by accident. But then again, we can't know for sure.
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It doesn't matter where he was aiming, he managed to hit and wound an official. It's a punishable offense, not worth a lifetime ban from international games like some people have wanted. But maybe a few games if he ever gets chosen on team Russia in an IIHF-tournament.
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I'd give Kamenev a 4 year ban from international competitions and require a full hand-written letter of apology for his actions prior to reinstatement.
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To me it looks like he was aiming at the clipboard but who knows, I believe that he sincerely didn't want to hurt anyone though
I don't know what video u are watching, but watch the one quoted in the first post on this page, u can clearly see the official bleeding at 1:36...so I guess people are picking this off, oh I dunno, video evidence?
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Cinderblox
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Are you serious? The worst thing he did, if he even did it at all (which no one has any proof of), is that he dove and tried to draw a penalty. That's it.
In what world have we ever forced players to apologize for diving or trying to sucker a penalty call? Why should we start with Strome?
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I'm not sure what league you are watching, but that would never ever go without consequences in Finland (FEL) or any other professional league for that matter. So why should it be passed in WJC or by IIHF? If he had stayed in the dressing room this wouldn't even have been a discussion. What happened is disgusting.
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You can see the bleading hand on YLE feed but not on TSN feed. YLE did not use TSN feed and that's why all the TSN clips from the other side of the rink. So finnish spectators have seen the bleading hand but others have not.
He should consider himself lucky if it only goes to IIHF disciplinary proceedings and yields him a lengthy suspension. Given that the event did cause bodily harm to another person it could even qualify as an assault (pahoinpitely) under criminal proceedings - something people defending the person ought to keep in mind. Being an ice hockey player with a bad mood and throwing temper tantrums does not give an exemption for that. It wouldn't even be first such a case in Finland (and earlier cases have actually yielded convictions - though mostly just fines)
