Player Discussion Igor Shesterkin

[SnowblindNYR]

You really need to chill dude. This response is so unhinged. If what's meant to be entertainment is making you this emotionally unstable maybe you should take a step away.

I'm not going to get into a pissing match on the actual topic since I'm sure whatever logic/facts I throw out would just be overridden by emotion.

Yes, I have strong emotions about this team. And yes about the guy making the most amount of money on this team being shit 90% of the season. There is no logic. When you make 11.5M your bar is not to be as good as the defense in front of you. And he's not even that. And I'm sure I wouldn't get all of these posts in Mika/Kreider/Lindgren's defense if I dared criticize them.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Yes, I have strong emotions about this team. And yes about the guy making the most amount of money on this team being shit 90% of the season. There is no logic. When you make 11.5M your bar is not to be as good as the defense in front of you. And he's not even that. And I'm sure I wouldn't get all of these posts in Mika/Kreider/Lindgren's defense if I dared criticize them.

You're not some kind of martyr for criticizing Igor. But I do believe that he has never been given the opportunity to actually play behind a defense that is properly constructed and we have no idea how he'd perform in such a situation. Our defense is atrocious.

The same cannot be said for Mika/Kreider/Lindgren, all of whom have been given the utmost opportunity to play in supportive situations. Mika and Kreider have been gifted endless time with our top units/icetime/players. Lindgren has been absurdly paired with our best D-Man since Brian Leetch for years and years. If those guys cannot perform in those situations, there is no hope for them.

And again your strong emotions are fine, what's not fine is your unhinged and disrespectful approach to interacting with those who don't see 100% eye to eye with you. This is an internet forum, we all want the best for the team, but disagreements are bound to happen otherwise we wouldn't sit here and discuss anything. Learn to treat people with respect.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

You're not some kind of martyr for criticizing Igor. But I do believe that he has never been given the opportunity to actually play behind a defense that is properly constructed and we have no idea how he'd perform in such a situation. Our defense is atrocious.

The same cannot be said for Mika/Kreider/Lindgren, all of whom have been given the utmost opportunity to play in supportive situations. Mika and Kreider have been gifted endless time with our top units/icetime/players. Lindgren has been absurdly paired with our best D-Man since Brian Leetch for years and years. If those guys cannot perform in those situations, there is no hope for them.

And again your strong emotions are fine, what's not fine is your unhinged and disrespectful approach to interacting with those who don't see 100% eye to eye with you. This is an internet forum, we all want the best for the team, but disagreements are bound to happen otherwise we wouldn't sit here and discuss anything. Learn to treat people with respect.

If Igor needs a great defense in front of him to be an effective goalie, he should not have signed for 11.5M period. It's like Alex Smith signing the richest contract in QB history. He's never had a shutdown defense but they've been good enough not to see his disappearing act for half the season every year. The defense this year was trash but it got better. And he's still trash. In the last three games where he gave up 14 goals we haven't given up more than 26 shots.

Also, in 2021-22 the defense was as bad as any that I remember and he won the Vezina. He has the ability but not the mental fortitude to play behind a defense that isn't elite.

If it's because of the defense why does he give up so many softies?

 

[Cusedog]

It has been ages since Igor has stolen a game for the Rangers.

 

[JohnC]

Kinda funny to me that this guy was demanding to be the highest paid player on the team because he viewed himself as the best player on the team while everyone spent 2 months crying about Kreider and Zibanejad being locker room cancers.

Like how did this guy and Panarin somehow skate by with their reputations intact? Because they give fun quirky “aw he’s so Russian” answers in post game interviews?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Kinda funny to me that this guy was demanding to be the highest paid player on the team because he viewed himself as the best player on the team while everyone spent 2 months crying about Kreider and Zibanejad being locker room cancers.

Like how did this guy and Panarin somehow skate by with their reputations intact? Because they give fun quirky “aw he’s so Russian” answers in post game interviews?

My theory is similar as to why you don't hear coaches ever say our goaltending was bad. A lot of people have a soft spot for goalies because they feel like criticizing goalies absolves the team.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Do you guys know who this "everything needs to be perfect before we blame him" take reminds me of? For YEARS that was what people said about Daniel Jones. If everything needs to be perfect around you, you're not a starter, certainly not a superstar the way we paid him.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Kinda funny to me that this guy was demanding to be the highest paid player on the team because he viewed himself as the best player on the team while everyone spent 2 months crying about Kreider and Zibanejad being locker room cancers.

Like how did this guy and Panarin somehow skate by with their reputations intact? Because they give fun quirky “aw he’s so Russian” answers in post game interviews?

I legitimately believe Igor’s contract was part of the reason for the discontent in the room this season. Us fans look at every goal and think of this guy wants to be the highest paid goalie in the league he needs to stop that, you can bet your ass that type of though at the very least creeps into the mind of his teammates as it’s in the news non stop like it was to start this season.

And the media is on the guy’s jock to a pretty ridiculous degree. The rangers can handily outplay another team and win 4-0 and all the talk is about Igor.

I know these guys want everyone to get paid but when it’s non stop in the news how this guy is the only reason your team is good (which isn’t true) and he wants to be paid more than anyone on the team - a deal that will force the GM to trade players on the roster bc of the cap hit - that type of stuff can fester in room.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I legitimately believe Igor’s contract was part of the reason for the discontent in the room this season. Us fans look at every goal and think of this guy wants to be the highest paid goalie in the league he needs to stop that, you can bet your ass that type of though at the very least creeps into the mind of his teammates as it’s in the news non stop like it was to start this season.

And the media is on the guy’s jock to a pretty ridiculous degree. The rangers can handily outplay another team and win 4-0 and all the talk is about Igor.

I know these guys want everyone to get paid but when it’s non stop in the news how this guy is the only reason your team is good (which isn’t true) and he wants to be paid more than anyone on the team - a deal that will force the GM to trade players on the roster bc of the cap hit - that type of stuff can fester in room.

He had a good series against the Panthers and the media treated him like the love child of Roy and Hasek. And so did everyone on the Rangers board. People need any possible hope to expose the team as frauds and it's very hard to do with a Presidents' Trophy winning team that made the ECF two of three years and had 107+ points in three straight years. So if you credit only the goalie you get the mythology as if he's the GOAT. To the agent's credit he saw that narrative and capitalized on it. Good for him bad for us.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Out of respect to the winning PGT I will avoid negativity about Igor in that thread. But did you guys watch the team "didn't have it" and got bailed out in the first two by Quick? Then they got their bearings and won in the third. With Igor we lose this game 4-2 or 5-2 or something and people talking about him not making big saves will be shut down because of the defense in front of him. And yet look what Quick did with a shaky defense in front of him.

 

[bl02]

Out of respect to the winning PGT I will avoid negativity about Igor in that thread. But did you guys watch the team "didn't have it" and got bailed out in the first two by Quick? Then they got their bearings and won in the third. With Igor we lose this game 4-2 or 5-2 or something and people talking about him not making big saves will be shut down because of the defense in front of him. And yet look what Quick did with a shaky decent in front of him.

Thought the same thing. Would Igor have made those saves down 2-1?
I am still a huge fan of Igor (not at 11.5 million) but the guy can not give up the 3/4 goal plus games he's been giving up

 

[TheWrongWay]

Maybe try not to leave out details to fit your narrative, I enjoyed being at that game to watch the Rangers score on only 2/8 breakaways, with one being in OT, watching Laf miss wide on the slot one-tee to give the Avs the puck again in the last few seconds, and watch us do nothing with the powerplay we had in overtime.

Igor singlehandedly coasting us that game? Once again, you're coming with meme levels of rage, SB.

That seems about the norm. There's not a great deal of data I've seen on it, but the one study I saw looking at it had breakaways scoring 25.6% of the time (albeit on a somewhat small sample). If you want a related and larger sample, there have been over 17,000 shootout shot attempts and those have only beaten goalies 32.1% of the time (and this is with coaches generally selecting their best shooters).

Also, when a dude asks to be the highest-paid goalie of all time, he does place his performance under a microscope and elevate expectations. Panarin, and any highest-paid types, sit in that same boat. I realize Igor's raise kicks in next season, but he set the dollar amount this season and it shouldn't be too surprising people already hold him to account.

Lofty demands tend to be held to lofty expectations and standards.

 

[TheWrongWay]

Yes, I have strong emotions about this team. And yes about the guy making the most amount of money on this team being shit 90% of the season. There is no logic. When you make 11.5M your bar is not to be as good as the defense in front of you. And he's not even that. And I'm sure I wouldn't get all of these posts in Mika/Kreider/Lindgren's defense if I dared criticize them.

I get where you're coming from but I think the 11.5 argument is better suited for next season. At the moment, Igor's paid less than half that. I think we can also squarely look at the 5 or 6 guys who are making more than Igor this season and I think expectations can be fairly well spread to some of those guys also.

If you expect Igor to carry a team this season based on his pay for next season, am I out of line to ask you why that same expectation doesn't fall equally on, say, Kreider and Trochek since they make about the same or more than Igor does this season?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I get where you're coming from but I think the 11.5 argument is better suited for next season. At the moment, Igor's paid less than half that. I think we can also squarely look at the 5 or 6 guys who are making more than Igor this season and I think expectations can be fairly well spread to some of those guys also.

If you expect Igor to carry a team this season based on his pay for next season, am I out of line to ask you why that same expectation doesn't fall equally on, say, Kreider and Trochek since they make about the same or more than Igor does this season?

Well Kreider I'm pretty much done with. Trocheck I think is still is useful player. I'm always harder on goalies than skaters because of their outsized impact on the game.

 

[SixGoalieSystem]

I get where you're coming from but I think the 11.5 argument is better suited for next season. At the moment, Igor's paid less than half that. I think we can also squarely look at the 5 or 6 guys who are making more than Igor this season and I think expectations can be fairly well spread to some of those guys also.

If you expect Igor to carry a team this season based on his pay for next season, am I out of line to ask you why that same expectation doesn't fall equally on, say, Kreider and Trochek since they make about the same or more than Igor does this season?

Sure if the argument is that he should be playing better because of his paycheck.

On the other hand, if the argument is that he shouldn't have been given an 11.5M extension in the first place and his unconvincing play is one of the reasons, I think it's valid.

 

[TheWrongWay]

Sure if the argument is that he should be playing better because of his paycheck.

On the other hand, if the argument is that he shouldn't have been given an 11.5M extension in the first place and his unconvincing play is one of the reasons, I think it's valid.

My last two posts here were actually a bit conflicting cuz I'm just trying to make the same argument stop recurring. I feel like I'm in a Clockwork Orange, with my eyes forced open, reading the same disagreement over and over lol