FireGerardGallant
The Artist Formerly known as FireDavidQuinn
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Player Discussion Igor Shesterkin
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All of his complaints have nothing to do with any discussion and are just warp back to "Fire Quinn".
And in the midst of fighting with the entire board, you still manage time for my post.
Well, I'm certainly honored
Larrybiv
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Im expecting 10 goals and a stellar defensive show. I mean, he absolutely "has to", doesn't he? With what they have there, Wings fans are saying its a distinct upgrade acquiring Marc.
Chimpradamus
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No, I don't. The stats say it. NYR were absolutely garbage level awful in team structure before the period Shesty arrived. They were the worst team in the NHL as being kind to their goalies in charts. Tons of pressure against the own net with bad defensive structure. I also remembered Lundqvist was playing great and Georgiev was also really good. They were both in the upper top corner of performances, for a while, before it cracked both.
But, I must say I don't know if the hen or the egg came first. Maybe Shesty's puck handling had such a big influence on the game or the team just played better? I don't know. There are so many factors unknown that I cannot say. We will see. Now it's all in the past anyways.
What I do know is, if the team plays as sloppy as at the start of the former season, it doesn't matter if Shesty is in net or not. Or as they performed in the playoffs against Carolina.
I haven't followed Shesty enough to be so down on him like a bunch of the rest of you. Maybe he is so good as you proclaim? That would be great and he would fully deserve it. But as I haven't followed him I go by the classic standard of performances in the NHL - which is at least 3-4 seasons - I cannot join the fan train that he's already the next King. We haven't even seen a full season yet with him as a starter. Hyperbole from you or negativism by me?
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Cool.. cuz I was just pointing out that DQ still sucks lol
Your biggest problem with Shesty is that he isn't Swedish. The team did improve but not by that much during his period there. He had like 0.930 save percentage and a meh 2.5 GAA, he was facing a ton of shots.
That's not gonna change anytime soon either.
Insert Jack Johnson.
I have a ton of faith in Shesty and Georgie as a tandom.
My issue is that they aren't going to get much help from a team that invites scoring chances against..
Chimpradamus
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Total bullcrap. You don't get my point. It's not that he isn't Swedish, it's that he isn't proven yet in the NHL. If you want me to give you a dozen of flash in the pan goalies in the NHL, I could give them to you in a drunken stupor. As for the team, yes, they did improve, from dead last to at least mediocre. That's a big step of about half the league in performance. That's more than "not that much".
But if you want to worship him already on his NHL sample, go ahead, I won't stop you. I have nothing against the guy, I'm just not sold yet. Apparently that's blasphemy. Shesty is very solid in his technique, but I haven't seen enough of him playing in full scramble mode for a prolonged period, which is the NYR standard to carry a team as a franchise goalie for an entire season + playoffs. When he had to play in full scramble mode, I've not been impressed enough yet.
I still don't understand how you connect my homerism for Lundqvist with my scepticism to overrate the next goalie. That's you being a NYR homer as much as I'm a Lundqvist homer.
I understand his potential, but I don't proclaim his potential before it has actually happened, especially not as I haven't followed him before the NHL. Then I take the standard NHL formula. Apparently that is problematic, just because I'm a Lundqvist fan. What do you want, should I be on my knees to herald the next saviour here or what?
I don't yet see Shesty as the next best thing to sliced cheese. Apparently that makes me a negative influence. Can you in any way try to see this from my point of view? How about logic instead of blind hope? Shesty has great potential, but he isn't Jesus yet and that has yet to manifest consistency in the NHL, in actual reality. Is that such a controversial opinion to have around here?
Consistency. I want to see elite consistency before I proclaim elite consistency, in the NHL. Wow, such a controversial view. So you and many others are sure he's the next deal? I'm just not sure yet. So what? Why can't this dissonance be acceptable? We're talking flavours of chocolate here, he'll still probably be a really solid goalie.
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Larrybiv
We're CLEAN, we PROMISE!
Sliced cheese isnt all its cracked up to be. Goes bad faster, but I digress. Not taking sides here, but liked your post. You have every right to feel the way you do. It would be "disrespectful" to Hank and all his hard work throughout his tenure, by replacing him with a newer version and automatically "expect" Igor (nor anyone else) to have the kind of career Hank had. Its simply not fair. To ANYONE.
We can all be very excited about him, and rightfully so. But, I am with you in regard to "handing out" a presumptuous NHL resumé to someone that has only played a handful of NHL games, REGARDLESS of how stellar his numbers are prior.
PROVE IT.........OVER DAYS, WEEKS, MONTHS and preferably 12-15 YEARS. I am aboard to support, my opinion will come after 3 or 4 years of stardom........at least.
romba
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Ok so you'll make your decision in 5 or 6 years, I'm sure you did the same with Hank.
Chimpradamus
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As I've said, I've not followed Shesty as much as apparently some others around here. That will take me more than a dozen NHL games to proclaim him Jesus. I'm sorry I'm late to the ball here, but I don't have a habit to be wrong. How about a season or two? *gasp* Is that too much to ask? How about observing Shesty handle real adversity at NHL level, in the marathon of a season or even a career, which is half - or more - handled mentally? I don't know about his mentality, so how can I hope? I don't hope, I proclaim and I can't in this case.
He has not even been the #1 on a NHL team for a season yet. Holy crap, at this point I actually find this discussion comical.
Me: "I don't know yet. He looks promising, he's really solid technically, but he's not Jesus yet."
romba: "So you need half a decade to decide that?"
Me: "No! No, that's not what I said at all. How about trying to understand what I actually say instead of finding the opposite, crazy pants version of what I say like Fox versus CNN?" Holy shit. Are you all this dense in America now? Really? Monoteism 2.0? You have serious issues, really. You're seriously falling apart as a culture. The world is not + or -. There's a disparity between there apparently unacknowledged to the average US citizen.
I know, it's tough to do in this crazy, diabolical, idiotic, self destructive society that we have created - and you live in the absolute center of it. Everything is polarized. You can't even discuss a goalie with any set of scepticism or any degree of discussion. "SO YOU HATE HIM?" No, I simply ask if your projection is a bit overblown? Nope. Hate or love. Die or live. Prosper or be demolished.
Seriously, get a grip, New Yorkers. There's a reality out there. Taste it again please. This planet needs it. Humanity needs it.
Thirty One
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I would like to note that I am Canadian and I also think Shesterkin is Jesus.
Chimpradamus
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Alright, fair enough by me. I can respect your trial of a prophecy as long as you keep it at that and don't try to insult me for having a different opinion. See how easy that was, kids? You believe he's the real deal? So believe in him! Of course you should, because why not? Just try to focus that positive energy into your own life to improve yourself. Energize! Eat proper food, train your body and develop your mind, just like he does. Become stronger and adapt to the future.
Either I'm wrong (he'll be an elite goalie) or you will be correct (he'll be another HHOF goalie). That's a bet I'm willing to take. I would be glad to be wrong, because he would fully deserve it. If I'm right I won't even mention it.
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romba
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Check what I quoted. It's nice to repaint your own words how you like it and be a dick about it as well. Good job.
What does 'elite consistency' mean if not elite for half a decade +?
Chimpradamus
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Alright, I'll check.
Update: I don't care enough to evolve an answer. Believe what you want and go with that.
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romba
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When an answer needs to be 'evolved', it's probably not a good one anyway. Peace.
romba
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One day I just decided to make @Thirty One my arch nemesis. No particular reason. Probably boredom. It's been good for my brand.
Thirty One
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You're disappointing your new fans saying that it's for no reason.
Chimpradamus
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Well, it's obvious it will be more to grasp in a full message than a one liner. I understand you're a fan of one liners, so I understand you're happy. You quoted me and claimed I didn't understand your polarized escalation from my post (You accused me of needing half an eternity of a career to proclaim consistency). I just chose to not continue this conversation, because when you're at that level of a discussion, nothing good will come from it and I will just feel more stupid from partaking in it.
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