"IF"....

[Megaterio Llamas]

Home is where one makes it and JT's offseason home is in Pittsburgh.

However, I don't know much about East Palenstine being a Pittsburgh suburb. I certainly wouldn't go by proximity to another state's city as a gauge. Pullman Washington for example is super close to Moscow, Idaho. Without getting into politics, let's just say they are quite different.

I didn't know JT lived in Pittsburgh in the offseason. But it makes sense; he speaks of growing up and playing minor hockey in the Pittsburgh area. American states can be quite small so you see this situation quite frequently where a large city kind of spills across state liines. The late Johnny Gaudreau was another example of this, growing up in New Jersey quite close to Philadelphia and consifdering himself a Philly guy.

 

[F A N]

I didn't know JT lived in Pittsburgh in the offseason. But it makes sense; he speaks of growing up and playing minor hockey in the Pittsburgh area. American states can be quite small so you see this situation quite frequently where a large city kind of spills across state liines. The late Johnny Gaudreau was another example of this, growing up in New Jersey quite close to Philadelphia and consifdering himself a Philly guy.

Ya I mean proximity to bigger cities where you hang out does play a role but things like country and to a much lesser extent provincial/state lines play a role as well. Cranbrook is much closer to say Spokane than it is to Vancouver. Take Travis Green. He's from Castlegar, B.C. He's closer to Calgary than he is to Vancouver. Certainly when he played for Spokane that is relatively close to home.

 

[RobertKron]

Have you lived there?

No, but I do have/have had quite a few friends on either side of the state line, and have spent a reasonable amount of time in the region over the years.

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

Ya I mean proximity to bigger cities where you hang out does play a role but things like country and to a much lesser extent provincial/state lines play a role as well. Cranbrook is much closer to say Spokane than it is to Vancouver. Take Travis Green. He's from Castlegar, B.C. He's closer to Calgary than he is to Vancouver. Certainly when he played for Spokane that is relatively close to home.

You were right about it not really being a suburb of Pittsburgh; it's 40 miles from the city whereas I for some reason thought it was 20. So it would have a simllar relationship with Pittsburgh that, say, Abbotsford has with Vancouver with the additional differentiating factor of it being right on the state line, on the other side.

I only brought this up because I have repeatedly seen the media refer to a hypothetical trade with Columbus as sending Miller 'home' and that just isn't the case. i guess I just wanted to throw some cold water on that

 

[Tact]

Easy peeasy, just find two 100 point centers out of thin air.

Rutherford said you can just pick up two at Costco

 

[Iron Mike Sharpe]

Miller's from East Palestine, so I really hope he doesn't come to blows with Hughes over that.

*ducks*
/ I'll show myself out.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

I'm surprised people think that Pettersson can return to form.

He's played the last 82 games at a 62 point pace.

Those 82 games are spread over 10 months, two different seasons and two different playoff series.

I'm finding it difficult to believe he can be a top 10 scorer again.

I'd favor keeping him if I saw him returning to form.

There's a good chance that both have peaked offensively, but I can still see Miller being a PPG guy for 3.6 million less per season.

I'd trade Pettersson to a team that believes that with a change of scenery he's going to be a top 10 scorer again and ask for a return that is commensurate with that.

So your theory is that at 26, having a bad year means he's just bad now?

What would be the mechanism for that?

A really unlikely and uncommon injury that lasts literally forever?

Or he's 'gotten his money and doesn't care forever now'?

The odds of him just being bad now are ridiculous.

Trading Pettersson during a funk is how you end up building a cup winner for another team and going down in the kind of infamy that gets talked about for 50 years.

Like if the Wings had traded Datsyuk in 06 for like Scott Gomez or something.
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I like Miller and what he's brought to the team.

He's also someone whom Vigneault laughed about and said, "He had a lot of growing up to do".

He's also someone who was somehow a throw-in in an already lopsided McDonagh trade.

He's also someone who was considered surplus to requirements for a team who could have just as easily dealt some combination of Palat and/or Killorn but considered them more essential to building a winning team.

If you follow the smoke it starts to seem like if Miller were a run of the mill 3rd line talent he'd be playing in Russia or something because he's prickly and hard to get along with. But he's one of those unicorn Gabriel Landeskog types who is big, fast, superlatively talented, a good playmaker, intense, and can exert his will on the game so he will get chance after chance after chance.

I like Miller and hope they can work things out. But to me, it's not remotely a question of which one I would keep. It's Pettersson all day long.

 

[oba]

JTs age (as talented as he is)
doesn't bode well for the next (big) contract.
and mgmt likes youth, rightly so.
hmmm ....

 

[bobbyb2009]

I am hoping it isnt IF, of course. My solution is to make them play on the same line together until they work it out. They are not scoring now anyways, so load them up with someone not named boeser and make them play every shift including PK together until they figure it out or it implodes

 

[RobertKron]

FWIW, I’m pretty sure Miller ended up moving to Pittsburgh or very close as a kid at some point.

 

[F A N]

FWIW, I’m pretty sure Miller ended up moving to Pittsburgh or very close as a kid at some point.

Miller really isn't a player you can define as having grown up in a single location.

He was playing hockey in the Pittsburgh area between ages 12-16 according to ice hockey wiki. He then moved to Michigan and it appears that he was based there until he played for Connecticut.

But clearly he's a Penguins fan growing up and his offseason home is in Pittsburgh.

JTs age (as talented as he is)
doesn't bode well for the next (big) contract.
and mgmt likes youth, rightly so.
hmmm ....

What are you talking about?

 

[RobertKron]

Miller really isn't a player you can define as having grown up in a single location.

He was playing hockey in the Pittsburgh area between ages 12-16 according to ice hockey wiki. He then moved to Michigan and it appears that he was based there until he played for Connecticut.

But clearly he's a Penguins fan growing up and his offseason home is in Pittsburgh.



What are you talking about?

Well, yeah, he went off to play junior as a teenager like basically all high-end hockey players end up doing.

I know Pittsburgh claims him, though, and he played minor hockey in a Pittsburgh program. I’m pretty sure his family moved to a closer suburb in PA at some point.

 

[Bobby9]

If you follow the smoke it starts to seem like if Miller were a run of the mill 3rd line talent he'd be playing in Russia or something because he's prickly and hard to get along with. But he's one of those unicorn Gabriel Landeskog types who is big, fast, superlatively talented, a good playmaker, intense, and can exert his will on the game so he will get chance after chance after chance.

Oh so he's everything EP40 isnt

 

[F A N]

Well, yeah, he went off to play junior as a teenager like basically all high-end hockey players end up doing.

I know Pittsburgh claims him, though, and he played minor hockey in a Pittsburgh program. I’m pretty sure his family moved to a closer suburb in PA at some point.

I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here. Connor Bedard was born in Metro Vancouver and played in Metro Vancouver until he was 15. If he didn't have exceptional status he wouldn't have "went off to play junior" until he was 16. Clearly Bedard is from Vancouver. That's different from Miller who was in Palestine Ohio and moved to Pittsburgh area at ages 12-16 and then moved to Michigan. Meanwhile, Quinn similarly moved around too but he doesn't call Toronto home.

Like I said, home is where one makes it.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

FWIW, I’m pretty sure Miller ended up moving to Pittsburgh or very close as a kid at some point.

yup

from his wikipedia:

Miller grew up in a residential area in East Palestine, Ohio, blocks away from the East Palestine City School District campus, attending kindergarten through 10th grade.[2] He began playing ice hockey at a young age and also participated in other organized athletics, including baseball and football. Miller played for several ice hockey teams from the age of five through 12 before ending up with the Pittsburgh Hornets from age 12 to age 16, as at the time his family was living in the Pittsburgh suburb of Coraopolis.[3]

coraopolis is in pennsylvania

 

[RobertKron]

I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here. Connor Bedard was born in Metro Vancouver and played in Metro Vancouver until he was 15. If he didn't have exceptional status he wouldn't have "went off to play junior" until he was 16. Clearly Bedard is from Vancouver. That's different from Miller who was in Palestine Ohio and moved to Pittsburgh area at ages 12-16 and then moved to Michigan. Meanwhile, Quinn similarly moved around too but he doesn't call Toronto home.

Like I said, home is where one makes it.

Miller went to Ann Arbour to join the NTDP - I don't even know what you're talking about at this point. You've gone from talking about Pullman, WA, to saying that Bedard leaving to play junior is different than Miller leaving to play junior, and I'm thoroughly confused.

 

[Curm]

How is he a diva?

That's just my opinion of him from things like, going back to his facial expressions and responses to basic media questions when he first arrived, how he seemingly appears more affected by off-ice influences like social media, the wild swings in production and play. Again, and not that Miller doesn't have his own issues or that I'm supportive of the media, it's only my opinion of him, but I sense you don't share the same, and that's fine.