If you were the Canucks, who would you trade: Pettersson or Miller?

[Coffee]

Pettersson without Miller in the lineup: 15 points in 10 games

Pettersson with Miller in the lineup: 11 points in 22 games

Not going to lie, but @TheNumber4 really did call this before it went mainstream

 

[Three On Zero]

Neither

Pettersson without Miller in the lineup: 15 points in 10 games

Pettersson with Miller in the lineup: 11 points in 22 games

Who are EPs most common linemates with and without Miller in the lineup.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

I see Petey just getting worse and worse, but Miller is a few years older. I would trade Miller.

OR, Hughes is probably going to NJ as a UFA, trade Petey for a good dman and be prepared for it. Dman more important.

 

[Turin]

If you trade either chances are you are killing your window for the next couple years. So gun to your head you trade the older player.

 

[Coffee]

OR, Hughes is probably going to NJ as a UFA, trade Petey for a good dman and be prepared for it. Dman more important.

Don't say that, dude. It might come true.

You don't want division rivals to suck, it makes it much less fun for everyone.

 

[BB79]

The whole team

 

[VanillaCoke]

EP for sure.

 

[SillyRabbit]

If you trade either chances are you are killing your window for the next couple years. So gun to your head you trade the older player.

Not true.

Canucks had a package of Necas, Kotkaniemi, Morrow and a 1st round pick from the Hurricanes offered for Pettersson before he was even locked up long term.

Had the Canucks traded Pettersson even 1 for 1 with Necas, they would've made out like bandits.

 

[lawrence]

Canucks had a package of Necas, Kotkaniemi, Morrow and a 1st round pick from the Hurricanes

there's no reliable source on this one.

 

[TheNumber4]

Not going to lie, but @TheNumber4 really did call this before it went mainstream

You know what they say, know thy enemy.

 

[SillyRabbit]

there's no reliable source on this one.

Of course not, but the package I quoted is a package that every single Hurricanes fan was more than happy to give up. It's actually the most conservative package discussed, as others had Nikishin or Jarvis instead of Morrow.

It's extremely likely that the package I named was available and it was the Canucks that turned it down, finding it to be insufficient.

 

[maroon 6]

Of course not, but the package I quoted is a package that every single Hurricanes fan was more than happy to give up. It's actually the most conservative package discussed, as others had Nikishin or Jarvis instead of Morrow.

It's extremely likely that the package I named was available and it was the Canucks that turned it down, finding it to be insufficient.

Hurricanes “fans”

 

[SillyRabbit]

Hurricanes “fans”

I don't know what you're trying to say.

Are you trying to say that you find it unbelievable that the package listed was available for Pettersson? As in you think Pettersson's value is less than that?

 

[maroon 6]

I don't know what you're trying to say.

Are you trying to say that you find it unbelievable that the package listed was available for Pettersson? As in you think Pettersson's value is less than that?

Fans don’t make trades

 

[CanucksSayEh]

Miller is by far more valuable to the team. He has top 10 scoring finishes on both a low and high scoring team, with huge discrepancies in linemate quality. EP is much more dependent on others, and has been wildly inconsistent.

Canucks best seasons, are with JT as the teams best forward. If it's Boeser or EP leading the way, they are in lotto contention. They won their division with EP being a non factor for most of the season.

EP likely gets the better return, due to age, and not having an NMC in place, plus gives more options cap wise.

 

[The Nuge]

I’d be tempted to go to both, and ask them “are you prepared to put your differences aside for the good of the team?”, and if either (or both) say no, just trade them. If you’re not prepared to act like a professional, you can leave

If you trade either chances are you are killing your window for the next couple years. So gun to your head you trade the older player.

Not necessarily. With Buffalo needing to do something big, you might be able to flip EP for a package like Cozens and Power, which makes you younger, and potentially better

 

[BoHorvat 53]

I’d be tempted to go to both, and ask them “are you prepared to put your differences aside for the good of the team?”, and if either (or both) say no, just trade them. If you’re not prepared to act like a professional, you can leave



Not necessarily. With Buffalo needing to do something big, you might be able to flip EP for a package like Cozens and Power, which makes you younger, and potentially better

Went with Miller, but this is probably the best approach. Right now, they're getting paid 8 million and 11.6 million respectively to both act like an overgrown man child.

 

[Coffee]

Fans don’t make trades

You’re out to lunch.

There was an article few years ago about how HFBoards Trade and Proposals board facilitated 47% of that years trade deadline trades.

 

[Sky04]

Miller is their best regular season and playoff forward every year. 11.6m Pettersson had like 6 points last run

 

[maroon 6]

Miller is by far more valuable to the team. He has top 10 scoring finishes on both a low and high scoring team, with huge discrepancies in linemate quality. EP is much more dependent on others, and has been wildly inconsistent.

Canucks best seasons, are with JT as the teams best forward. If it's Boeser or EP leading the way, they are in lotto contention. They won their division with EP being a non factor for most of the season.

EP likely gets the better return, due to age, and not having an NMC in place, plus gives more options cap wise.

89 points playing on a line with scrubs is being a non factor?

 

[swiftwin]

Nope. You gotta pick one.

Both

 

[crowi]

If I was GM, I would chat with all players individually about this issue and see what they think. Without that knowledge I'd go:

Miller is consistent, has the better contract, but his NMC is already in effect. If Pettersson is dealt, does he just beef with someone else a year from now? His NMC means very limited value. (See: Kesler)

Pettersson is inconsistent, has very low lows, very high highs. Has a BAD contract, but NMC not yet active. Is not a guy who you'd call a leader. No NMC yet, means most value you can get with the extension that is starting.

It's a terrible spot to be for Canucks. But I'd say they'll likely have more success with Miller, who is cheaper as well and right now wouldn't return as much. With that said, I'd move Pettersson.

 

[syz]

Pettersson is underperforming but I feel like this conversation will keep happening with Miller. What happens if you trade EP and then 2 seasons from now you're still stuck with a new season of Miller drama?

 

[Sky04]

Pettersson is underperforming but I feel like this conversation will keep happening with Miller. What happens if you trade EP and then 2 seasons from now you're still stuck with a new season of Miller drama?

Miller is trying to get the best out of the team, better than being passively mediocre like Pettterson is ok with doing.

 

[tmg]

If the locker room is divided on which one they’d rather stay, then only moving one of them likely still leaves a major problem in the locker room - players who feel the wrong guy was exiled for reasons they’ll blame on the one they kept.

After the Hoffman Karlsson spat in Ottawa, even after Hoffman was jettisoned, the team still needed to trade Karlsson. Think we might have that again here.

Need to create a culture that ‘this shit isn’t tolerated and all who engage in it are unwelcome’, not ‘this shit isn’t tolerated and we’ll remove the most expendable one when it happens and give the other one a pass’.