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JETZZZ
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Czechoslovakia did win gold at the world championships that spring. Id say they could compete.
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And their fan-base likes to disqualify things outside of those tournaments. Yes I include the USSR tournaments and no I don't care if Canada wanted to sit them out or was in protest. You're literally quoting a post where I deride this notion and responding with the exact same thing.
There is one country that likes to do this best on best thing all the time, huh I think we might see why in the post above.
Hopefully the win the Olympics in 2022, I will just label that era as the NHL re-enters the Olympics or second NHL period and it is new, USA 1 everyone else zero because I say so...
You're not clearly ahead of Russia historically for me in a demonstrative way, maybe not even at all. There is no Brazil of hockey in the way that was being stated.
CpatainCanuck
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And their fan-base likes to disqualify things outside of those tournaments. Yes I include the USSR tournaments and no I don't care if Canada wanted to sit them out or was in protest. You're literally quoting a post where I deride this notion and responding with the exact same thing.
There is one country that likes to do this best on best thing all the time, huh I think we might see why in the post above.
Hopefully the win the Olympics in 2022, I will just label that era as the NHL re-enters the Olympics or second NHL period and it is new, USA 1 everyone else zero because I say so...
You're not clearly ahead of Russia historically for me in a demonstrative way, maybe not even at all. There is no Brazil of hockey in the way that was being stated.
Canadians are a little amused when people like yourself want to consider Soviet victories on occasions when Canada sent an amateur team on the same level as competitions where both nations sent their A squads.
For context, as late as 1961 Canada won the World Championships with the Trail Smoke Eaters, basically the amateur Senior Team for a town of maybe 12,000 people, playing against the Soviet Red Army Team. So if you're offended that nobody in Canada cares about the World Championship or Olympic wins of the Soviet Union in the 1960s , I'm afraid that's tough.
They never get enough top D men. In 2018, they got
McAvoy and won Bronze. If they could just get
a d corp every year like
Fowler E. Johnson
Dumoulin. McAvoy
Werenski Carlo
One of Gibson, Hellebuyck , Bishop or Quick they could
probably win once every ten years.
The problem is that these Canadians are only interested in whether Canada sent their A squad, not whether everyone else had one too.
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I am not offended, but it doesn't make you the runaway victors you claim to be. Those tournaments were played and they count. Hell your neighbors to the south won during the amateurs to the Olympics in NA times...
You can have that argument and whatever justification if it makes you feel better. I am not inclined to agree with it nor do I have to.
In a team USA thread I don't have to kiss the ring and listen to the garbage old arguments that very intentionally boil it down to your best most favorable argument.
I don't think the USA winning the World Championship would be as impactful as it should be. It doesn't seem to be as big of a deal in Canada either. But then again they have really only just started playing the games on TV in the states. We take some of the best players from their countries away for the Stanley Cup, it happens but the talent that goes is still plenty good. Frankly it is annoying the NA teams don't value the World Championships more, more guys should care about it. Canada does win it, but they are not the scary juggernaut to some other countries you want to be. You can be the favorites, but you don't seem completely unbeatable at the highest levels. Sorry those are the breaks, I am inclined to break you down as an outsider how I feel.
Lol so now you're suggesting I created that wiki article?
If you want to cherry pick tournaments that is your opinion, but even so my point still remains. You've still yet to answer my question.
It is widely acknowledged that the 1998, 2002, 2006, 2010 and 2014 Olympics were best vs best tournaments. How could they have not been? look at the rosters of all the countries, every nation had their fully loaded rosters of the best players they had.
Are you denying that the 1998, 2002, 2006, 2010 and 2014 Olympics were best vs best? and that Canada won 3/5?
In addition let me ask you this, which country has won the most best vs best tournaments if it isn't Canada? I'm struggling to understand your bizarre logic here..
Canada lost two of those five Olympics. Thats not
domination. In addition they beat the US for Gold
in OT and beat the US 1-0 in the SF.
Domination is what USA Basketball does.
CpatainCanuck
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Probably true. I am open to being informed about this. There have been a couple of instances mentioned in this thread, but in your view which of these competitions where it is considered that Canada sent their A squad or close to it did the competitors not? (disregard the 1972 Summit Series if you want).
CpatainCanuck
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You're right that the North American countries don't appreciate the World Championships very much. As long as it conflicts with the Stanley Cup playoffs i'm afraid that is likely to continue. It's tough to get the best NHL players to immediately play in a tournament that has historically and culturally not been considered very significant after just playing a gruelling 82 game season or being eliminated from the playoffs.
If we look at the earlier Olympics especially the Canadians were at disadvantage because of amateur rules. On the other hand regarding team quality at the Canada Cup especially the Czechoslovaks faced structural disadvantage because of political reasons. Some of the later Olympics treated teams like Germany and Slovakia unfairly by design and the World Cup of Hockey has been a mess in general. In this way the Summit Series weren't that bad despite all the gamesmanship.
Boonk
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Lmfao winning the majority of best on best olympic tournaments isn't dominating?
Lmfao winning the majority of best on best olympic tournaments isn't dominating?
It depends. Canada won the most gold medals, yes. On the other hand, Finland won the most medals overall while maintaining a winning record against Canada.
Lmfao winning the majority of best on best olympic tournaments isn't dominating?
Not when compared to USA Olympic Basketball. Puts your sorry ass far far behind.
Boonk
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Canada has 3 of 5 titles at best on best olympics, Sweden and the Czechs each have 1. That's literally domination lol, irdc about basketball.
Canada didn't even medal in two of the five Olympics.
Its a sport with maybe 8 realistic nedal winners.
What nonsense...lol.
Boonk
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The US hasn't even won in any of the Olympics...at all.
It's not nonsense lmfao its fact. No other country has more than 2 (currently anyways).
End on a Hinote
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Got to give them the 1996 World Cup. It was the "only" relevant WC tournament as the NHL wasn't in the Olympics yet and was the sole best on best pro hockey tournament at the time. It was essentially the Canada Cup just renamed.
What the US has done has ZERO to do
with your Canada "dominates" fairy tale...lol.
No medals in 40% of NHL Olympics means
your domination characterization
is total garbage pal.
Mathieukferland
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I know it’s hard to comprehend but in the rest of the world outside the USA, we count based on the most gold medals, not the most total medals. So when a country has won more gold medals then every other country COMBINED whilst NHL players were participating in the Olympics, I would say that’s fairly dominating.
Boonk
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Canada has more gold medals in Olympic tournaments featuring NHL players. And other best on best competitions. AND in the Olympics & WCs w/o NHLers. I would say that's dominating.
The US mens hockey team hasn't done anything on the world stage since 1996. Should probably worry more about that first.
Silver and bronze finishes can be good indicators of consistency, particularly when measuring relative dominance.
If Canada had 3 golds, a silver and bronze, it would indicate a higher consistent level of dominance than 3 golds, a 4th and a 7th. Only taking into account 1st place finishes provides for an incomplete overall picture. It counts the highs but (purposely) omits the lows.
Boonk
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So winning 60% (the majority in case you can't math) isnt? BAHAHA
Keep living in your fairy tale...lol. It's total garbage pal.
canuck2010
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That has a lot to do with the number of games played, lose the wrong one and you finish out of the medals
canuck2010
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Once again because of the format and number of games played overall it is quite possible that you can finish out of the medals. This is why the NHL plays a best of 7
