Speculation: If the 2027 Toronto pick lands in the top 10, the Leafs can choose whether it goes to Philly or Boston

[AvroArrow]

You guys are a trip. It would serve you right to go 100 years between cups. The bottom line is that you know what the right thing to do is, but you want to wring a little bit extra out of a team you already made a deal with because both of deals turned out like the shower scene in a prison movie for the Leafs.

I haven't seen this kind of dishonorable conduct since the Nordiques pulled the Lindros debacle. What's funny is teams rarely go the offer sheet route because they don't want to be a pariah amongst the other GMs. You clowns are so far past that right now, I wouldn't take a 911 call from the Leafs office. I guess you guys don't think it's a big deal. We'll see who's right eventually I suppose.

STL offer sheeted Holloway knowing Edmonton was literally incapable of matching due to their current cap situation at the time

Marner was speaking to Vegas for at least a year before becoming a free agent, Vegas was going to get hit with tampering unless they agreed to trade Nick Roy for pending UFA Marner

 

[ColbyChaos]

After this gong show hopefully the league steps in and restricts teams from doing these wack ass moves.

If you trade a team a conditional first and then do another trade with another team and it involves a first round pick that is already involved in the first conditional first trade then, there should be no protections on the picks at that point.

 

[TheDoldrums]

lol league rules it is indeed the Leafs choice if the pick is top 10. If that happens let the auction begin. Starting bid for the high 2027 pick is a 3rd, do I hear a 2nd?

 

[phillipmike]

...imo, easiest way to rectify this situation is this:


Leafs 2027 1st Rounder ends up Top 10 - Bruins get pick, Philly gets 2028 unprotected 1st

Leafs 2027 1st Rounder ends up not Top 10 - Philly gets pick, Bruins get 2028 unprotected 1st


...easiest way to do it...

You almost called it.

 

[JABEE]

I don't really understand how Toronto was allowed to move pick they already traded away. They also realistically shouldn't be allowed to leverage the pick they moved to decide which team gets the selection. The Flyers own the 2027 1st round pick. It's no longer protected, because of a subsequent move the Maple Leafs decided to make that renders the protections on the 2027 pick invalid.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

I don't really understand how Toronto was allowed to move pick they already traded away. They also realistically shouldn't be allowed to leverage the pick they moved to decide which team gets the selection. The Flyers own the 2027 1st round pick. It's no longer protected, because of a subsequent move the Maple Leafs decided to make that renders the protections on the 2027 pick invalid.

I don't think the Toronto draft pic will land in the top 10 so wouldn't worry about it too much. However if it does, sounds like Toronto will have some leverage. I didn't know this kind of deal was even possible if I'm being honest (prior to all the noise of course).

 

[Strangle]

If Boston wants the 2027 1st, it will cost them Minten

Otherwise, it goes to the flyers

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

If Boston wants the 2027 1st, it will cost them Minten

Otherwise, it goes to the flyers

I get the irony but might be able to do better than this if the above transpires.....

 

[ToDavid]

I don't really understand how Toronto was allowed to move pick they already traded away. They also realistically shouldn't be allowed to leverage the pick they moved to decide which team gets the selection. The Flyers own the 2027 1st round pick. It's no longer protected, because of a subsequent move the Maple Leafs decided to make that renders the protections on the 2027 pick invalid.

Because they traded it conditionally to work around the Philly trade. The Boston pick slides to whichever year Philly doesn’t get. The Leafs aren’t the first team to do that.

However, I suspect the league won’t let them leverage that choice.

 

[slim399]

What I have been thinking about is if Toronto blows it up. Would they have something to interest the Bruins to trade the pick back to them.

Something like the 1st + + for Nylander.

Toronto gets the lottery pick back and Boston gets a valuable asset instead waiting for an unknown pick in 28.

I would think Toronto just looks to add to their current roster and compete though.

 

[ColbyChaos]

I don't really understand how Toronto was allowed to move pick they already traded away. They also realistically shouldn't be allowed to leverage the pick they moved to decide which team gets the selection. The Flyers own the 2027 1st round pick. It's no longer protected, because of a subsequent move the Maple Leafs decided to make that renders the protections on the 2027 pick invalid.

League should just make a ruling if you trade a pick with protections and then trade the pick the first traded pick can slide to that the first traded pick will instead just have no protections. It’s straight up ridiculous Toronto got bailed out and have the league a massive headache

 

[Strangle]

You know, if you filled a room with nothing but low life sleaze ball characters, there's always one that's going to make the rest look like amateurs...

The idea of trying to milk more assets out of two teams you already agreed to a trade with has to be straight out of the Ethically bankrupt handbook.

Part of me thinks this is by design. TML has such a large fan base, there's a ton of money to be generated by clicks and views. Nobody clicks and views less when their team is in chaos.

Are they on to a new formula? Is being a daily soap opera more profitable than being a winner?

In situations like this, I ask myself “what would Vegas do?”

 

[WTFMAN99]

Absolutely if you're Toronto you play Philly/Boston against one another to get as much back to recoup assets.

 

[The Burdened]

Absolutely if you're Toronto you play Philly/Boston against one another to get as much back to recoup assets.

Philly would probably just call their bluff and say let your most hated rival have your Top 10 pick, and then gladly take the 2028 unprotected pick

 

[TheDoldrums]

Philly would probably just call their bluff and say let your most hated rival have your Top 10 pick, and then gladly take the 2028 unprotected pick

Easy to say now, if it is the difference between Landon DuPont and an unknown 2028 pick they’d be stupid to not offer anything if Boston was willing to pay for it.

 

[JABEE]

I don’t understand why Toronto has any role in picking who gets the pick. That’s a ridiculous precedent. The protection in 27 should have been negated or they shouldn’t have been allowed to trade a protected pick in 2026.

 

[ToDavid]

League should just make a ruling if you trade a pick with protections and then trade the pick the first traded pick can slide to that the first traded pick will instead just have no protections. It’s straight up ridiculous Toronto got bailed out and have the league a massive headache

The Leafs didn’t create a headache. This outcome was completely spelled out in the conditions of the trades.

The only headache was Philly‘s illogical argument for why their conditions should be voided.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Philly would probably just call their bluff and say let your most hated rival have your Top 10 pick, and then gladly take the 2028 unprotected pick

Easy to say now, if it is the difference between Landon DuPont and an unknown 2028 pick they’d be stupid to not offer anything if Boston was willing to pay for it.

Pretty much this.

Everyone wants to take a strong stance when the situation doesn't seem very real right now because it's a year out but if it gets closer to the draft...yea, you throw something at Toronto to get a more favorable result for your team.

If the option is giving up a 20-40th range pick to get a 6th-12th overall pick...yea do it.

 

[The Burdened]

Easy to say now, if it is the difference between Landon DuPont and an unknown 2028 pick they’d be stupid to not offer anything if Boston was willing to pay for it.

If they want to give their in division biggest rival Landon Dupont and be haunted with that decision for the next 10+ years all so they can get a sweetener, then more power to them.
The Flyers wont be extorted and are likely already annoyed at this situation so they wont play ball they will just take the pick when they get the pick. Calling their bluff.

 

[WTFMAN99]

If they want to give their in division biggest rival Landon Dupont and be haunted with that decision for the next 10+ years all so they can get a sweetener, then more power to them.
The Flyers wont be extorted and are likely already annoyed at this situation so they wont play ball they will just take the pick when they get the pick. Calling their bluff.

I doubt it but then again I am just some dummy on HFBoards, we will have an answer is about 12 months.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Because they traded it conditionally to work around the Philly trade. The Boston pick slides to whichever year Philly doesn’t get. The Leafs aren’t the first team to do that.

However, I suspect the league won’t let them leverage that choice.

How would they manage that? Ban deals between Toronto and the Flyers/Bruins?

 

[pth2]

I wonder if Treliving's Monahan deal with the insane conditions helped him convince the league to just move forward with the plain vanilla deal.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

What I have been thinking about is if Toronto blows it up. Would they have something to interest the Bruins to trade the pick back to them.

Something like the 1st + + for Nylander.

Toronto gets the lottery pick back and Boston gets a valuable asset instead waiting for an unknown pick in 28.

I would think Toronto just looks to add to their current roster and compete though.

Yup poor value for Nylander and the dynamics are just bad . The plus would need to be massive given the pic could be 1st or 32nd (or many in between). You can't value the pic as a lottery one a year out.....The bolded is what I see happening. 1 last kick at the can; If it's a colossal failure blow up time.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Philly would probably just call their bluff and say let your most hated rival have your Top 10 pick, and then gladly take the 2028 unprotected pick

Right. Like there is a bluff to be played.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

How would they manage that? Ban deals between Toronto and the Flyers/Bruins?

Simple. They just make it part of the official ruling. leafs get to pick where it goes but cannot receive compensation to influence the decision. bada bing, bada boom, done deal.......per the NHL.